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Thanks. I saw 590 BC, but not the other one. I totally forgot about the Meso-American thing, which I shouldn't have because I was talking about indigenous languages down there. I wonder how they liked living with the Mayans. :)
 
pakeha said:
Not even blood atonement?
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Okay, I'll bite. Blood atonement in what regards? I mean, I found an early article in the Deseret News (I know, an LDS paper) May 10, 1882, but still it describes three different definitions for blood atonement.

#1. The atonement of Jesus Christ. LDS believe.
#2. Capital punishment, for the crime of murder. LDS believe(d).
#3. As a means to keep members under control. NO doctrine or teachings.

Here's a link to a scan of the original article, I hope the link works. Then on the right side it'll give you drop down menu for pages. You'll want page 8, click on drop down menu and click on "Blood atonement." and the article will come up -- I hope.

But based on this, I can see how the LDS would practice #1 & #2. What evidence is there that #3 was practiced? And even if it was, for the record, it is no longer.
 
Cat Tale said:
What evidence is there that #3 was practiced?
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There is a lot of evidence but I'm not sure how conclusive it is. There is mythology and lore associated with the Danites (those who were responsible for enforcement).

And even if it was, for the record, it is no longer.
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But, IMO, the entire affair is beginning to look, walk and quack like a duck. How many of these bizarre incongruent facts does it take for the weight of the evidence to bury credulity?
 
RandFan said:
There is a lot of evidence but I'm not sure how conclusive it is. There is mythology and lore associated with the Danites (those who were responsible for enforcement).

But, IMO, the entire affair is beginning to look, walk and quack like a duck. How many of these bizarre incongruent facts does it take for the weight of the evidence to bury credulity?
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Thanks!
 
carlitos said:
Sure.
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Which university hands out degrees in that subject? Now that I think about it, I'll bet that one of the Mickey Mouse universities does. I suppose that these Mormon scholars have qualifications doled out by the Mormon Church.
 
What's wrong with "scholar?" Can't someone be a scholar in any subject? Do you similarly oppose claims to being Shakespeare scholars? Poetry scholars?
 
carlitos said:
What's wrong with "scholar?" Can't someone be a scholar in any subject? Do you similarly oppose claims to being Shakespeare scholars? Poetry scholars?
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Anyone can call themselves a scholar. Whether they have passed exams in a subject is a moot point. I know a lot about blues music and blues guitar but I would call myself an aficionado, not a scholar. I would be interested to know more about these Mormon scholars. Studying the BOM is more like a hobby than an academic subject. ''Bible scholar'' still seems like a contradiction in terms to me. Perhaps we should agree to disagree.
 
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tsig said:
I wonder why he only visited America, didn't China need god too?
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Jesus would have know that god was going to emigrate to America with the Pilgrim Fathers so naturally he wanted to take a dekko at the place.
 
tsig said:
I wonder why he only visited America, didn't China need god too?
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India? They aren't the "chosen" people AKA descendants of Abraham. God did not have a covenant with them.

But then that raises the question, why not? For those who have not seen it I strongly urge you to see God On Trial. That's the short and most salient version. The entire video can be seen here.

It is, in small part, a very powerful and compelling argument against the idea of a chosen race. The concept of a "chosen race" is tribalistic, it is solipsistic, it is provincial. Why would a benevolent deity play favorites?

Akiba: Did the mothers of Egypt find that Adoni was just [for killing their first born children]?
Schmidt: But Adoni is our god.
Akiba: Did god not make the Egyptians? If not him then who? Some other god?
 
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dafydd said:
Calling them scholars is pitching it a bit strong. Would you call somebody who knew a lot about the text of The Lord Of The Rings a scholar?
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No, but I'd be willing to call someone a scholar who had devoted himself/herself to textural analysis of ancient documents and who later found an interest in Mormonism and applied his/her learned capabilities in that direction.
 
SezMe said:
No, but I'd be willing to call someone a scholar who had devoted himself/herself to textural analysis of ancient documents and who later found an interest in Mormonism and applied his/her learned capabilities in that direction.
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Fair enough, but what a waste of time.
 
dafydd said:
Anyone can call themselves a scholar. Whether they have passed exams in a subject is a moot point. I know a lot about blues music and blues guitar but I would call myself an aficionado, not a scholar. I would be interested to know more about these Mormon scholars. Studying the BOM is more like a hobby than an academic subject. ''Bible scholar'' still seems like a contradiction in terms to me. Perhaps we should agree to disagree.
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Scholarship and ideological rightness are not the same thing. It may be stupid, it may be a waster of time, but this does not make a biblical scholar something else. There are universities and colleges and courses dedicated to studying the bible, offering degrees. Like it or not, if you graduate from Yale, or for that matter from some Christian college in Iowa as a Doctor of Divinity, you've pursued a scholarly career. When others with whom you disagree redefine common words to suit their beliefs many here rightly castigate them for the "no true Scotsman" fallacy. Do not do it yourself.

For Mormons it's a bit different, since it appears college training is not a usual part of their religious tradition, and Mormon scholarship seems hard to come by except as a term applied by Mormons to people whom they regard with authority. If there are such a thing as Mormon scholars, it's a pretty safe bet they are not the ones Skywriter means.
 
dafydd said:
Calling them scholars is pitching it a bit strong. Would you call somebody who knew a lot about the text of The Lord Of The Rings a scholar?
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Yes, within that limited scope. I think you are alluding to the fact that biblical scholars assume all and any scope, no?
 
bruto said:
Scholarship and ideological rightness are not the same thing. It may be stupid, it may be a waster of time, but this does not make a biblical scholar something else. There are universities and colleges and courses dedicated to studying the bible, offering degrees. Like it or not, if you graduate from Yale, or for that matter from some Christian college in Iowa as a Doctor of Divinity, you've pursued a scholarly career. When others with whom you disagree redefine common words to suit their beliefs many here rightly castigate them for the "no true Scotsman" fallacy. Do not do it yourself.

For Mormons it's a bit different, since it appears college training is not a usual part of their religious tradition, and Mormon scholarship seems hard to come by except as a term applied by Mormons to people whom they regard with authority. If there are such a thing as Mormon scholars, it's a pretty safe bet they are not the ones Skywriter means.
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BYU offers theological courses. You can get a doctorate in philosophy in the field of theology (known formally as Doctor of Religious Education) but it doesn't have a lot of weight in the Mormon Church. It's certainly not required for religious leadership.

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Mormon Theology Degrees Unlike ministers in most Christian churches, Mormon leaders do not typically receive formal theological training. Instead, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS) follows a lay leader model in which a worthy priesthood holder in the congregation is called to the ministry. Nevertheless, many students wish to pursue undergraduate and graduate degrees related to Mormon theology and doctrine. Options for Mormon theology students are few due to the limited number of LDS universities; however, Mormon theologians can still find ways to pursue the study.
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