2 questions re 1120 'Missing bodies' from WTC 1&2 & media complicity in mass murder

[fitzgibbon]

JAQing-off troll is JAQing off

Fitz

 

[beachnut]

... So what is your 100% proof that there were no explosives?

No blast effects on anything. BINGO, you are done.

Too bad you can't do the math and tell use the energy in each gravity collapse. You also fail to understand all CDs are gravity collapses, gravity (mgh) is the primary energy released to destroy building in CD.

Your lies are based on your hate of Cheney and PNAC. You make up lies that PNAC did 911. A delusion, dumber than Bigfoot.



I investigated USAF aircraft accidents. In aircraft accidents with much less energy than available in each tower collapse, small parts were ejected over 300 feet from an aircraft impacting straight down in a stall; ejected from the cockpit, from inside the aircraft. No explosives. Try using physics instead of nonsense of PNAC.

Let me do the math for you.
Light weight parts ejected from a cockpit from a stalled aircraft crash, most of aircraft in one pile, small part ejected 300 feet, energy of impact not more than 72518437.6 joules (like 34.6 pounds of TNT, Pounds of TNT). A/C - 40,000 pounds, speed at impact ~200 mph, stalled.

911 two WTC towers collapse, energy involved in millions of impacts during collapse, over 5.76x10¹¹ joules (130 TONS of TNT, TONS of TNT).

One aircraft impact ejected parts over 300 feet with the impact energy of 34 pounds of TNT.
Two towers impact millions of times during collapse and spread debris over 19 acres. Energy available over 260 TONS of TNT.

You are debunked, but keep believing the lie of CD, silent explosives, with no blast effects.

 

[Dog Town]

So how far was wtc7 from wtc1 ?

 

[Jbui]

All these buildings are MUCH MUCH smaller - by a very large margin - than the twin towers. In terms of volume, height, mass, and most importantly potential energy.

Could you, as an exercise, pick one of those collapsed buildings that you found there and estimate
- its mass
- its volume
- its potential energy
- the radius about which small debris particles were spread

Then do the same for one of the twin towers.

Compare, and discuss!


In the meantime, look at this building collapse. Remember: 90% of the energy that cracked the structure came from gravity, and almost all of the dust that you see:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzZBXuyIE28

or this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8DoSvCDsIg
Note that practically no dust and debris emenates as the explosions go off, Practically all of the dust is created subsequently, in the gravity-driven phase. Note how it spreads. Note that this building has only about 17% of the height, 0.5% of the volume and mass and 0.08% of the potential energy of WTC1.

you are right that in classic CD, most of the dust comes from the free falling concrete. But there are two important points: you actually need demolition charges to enable the free fall. And when you see a free fall, the gravity doesn't crush almost anything on the way down, but only on the ground level. Just like WTC7 - gravity did most of the work there too, and debris was all in 60 feet radius.

Another side of the coin is that in WTC1 for example we see the thick dust cloud during the falling period:

So no kinetic energy has been transformed to destruction of steel structure or floors, nothing visible is crushing anything, and yet we already have the dust could, which in the Fort Worth case required all the potential energy of the demolished building. So in Texas you say that you need all the energy for this dust cloud, and in NYC you can do it without anything hitting the ground?

anyways thanks for your comments, bed time.

 

[Starving for Truth]

Here is good scientific evidence of bombs and nukes at the WTC, on youtube. The video has successfully passed peer-review with 7 likes, and 0 dislikes.



I think I answered

What I'm looking for is a force that both shred people into small pieces and blew the 1000 feet away.

the question and solved the puzzle.

 

[Sunstealer]

Jbui - use the search function. It will save us huge amounts of time. There is no point in any debunker answering your questions because you simply ignore them. The questions you have submitted and the further questions, that you no doubt will submit, have all been answered dozens if not hundreds of times before on JREF.

Even if you read every post, of every thread, in the 911 sub-forum, I'll guarantee that this will have no affect on your reasoning, knowledge, mathematics, chemistry, physics, or any other relevant subject.

What you are doing is pointless.

 

[beachnut]

you are right that in classic CD, most of the dust comes from the free falling concrete. But there are two important points: you actually need demolition charges to enable the free fall. And when you see a free fall, the gravity doesn't crush almost anything on the way down, but only on the ground level. Just like WTC7 - gravity did most of the work there too, and debris was all in 60 feet radius.

Another side of the coin is that in WTC1 for example we see the thick dust cloud during the falling period:
http://history.vogels.org/pics/columns.jpg So no kinetic energy has been transformed to destruction of steel structure or floors, nothing visible is crushing anything, and yet we already have the dust could, which in the Fort Worth case required all the potential energy of the demolished building. So in Texas you say that you need all the energy for this dust cloud, and in NYC you can do it without anything hitting the ground?

anyways thanks for your comments, bed time.

Dust? Where is the smoke? lol, you see dust and make up lies of CD.

You posted a photo of the WTC crushing itself. You debunked yourself.

On 911 the impacts and fires were the same as explosives used in CD. The office fires had more energy than 2500 TONS of TNT before the collapse. There is the energy required to destroy the strength of steel and you ignore reality.

Why can't you do the math?

CD use mgh to destroy buildings, just like 911. The explosives used to do CD are extremely small compared to the energy of mgh. Your paranoia about PNAC is keeping from doing the math?

Were there 19 terrorists in your fantasy story of 911?
Why did the terrorists need 4 planes if they have secret silent no blast effect explosives which can be placed and not seen by invisible operatives?

 

[Spanx]

I wonder why a Finnish truther is so anti Bush ?

 

[Dog Town]

you actually need demolition charges to enable the free fall. And when you see a free fall...

Wait...WHAT?

 

[beachnut]

I wonder why a Finnish truther is so anti Bush ?

Watching too much RT? Using google and forgetting 99 percent of 911 junk is junk?

Why can't he use physics? When will he explain how the fantasy explosives were silent, and leave no blast effects?

 

[dafydd]

So what is your 100% proof that there were no explosives?

No explosives residue.

 

[beachnut]

Wait...WHAT?

Silent, no blast effects explosives.

What will his kid(s) think when they see his delusion on 911?

 

[Oystein]

you are right that in classic CD, most of the dust comes from the free falling concrete. But there are two important points: you actually need demolition charges to enable the free fall. And when you see a free fall, the gravity doesn't crush almost anything on the way down, but only on the ground level.

What free-fall? There was no free-fall. You claimed yourself only 70% of free-fall.

Why are you changing your claims in the middle of the argument?

Just like WTC7 - gravity did most of the work there too, and debris was all in 60 feet radius.

Not really.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Atbrn4k55lA&t=0m32s
Watch the debris cloud in the clips between 0:33 and 0:58, and again starting at 3:07.

Another side of the coin is that in WTC1 for example we see the thick dust cloud during the falling period:
[qimg]http://history.vogels.org/pics/columns.jpg[/qimg]

You understand that what dropped there was a 15-story highrise, more than 200 by 200 feet wide? Much much larger than the building in my previous video?

Do you understand that building that get demolished are first cleaned out, all of their wallboard, glass, furniture etc., so there simply is much less loose material to get ejected?

So no kinetic energy has been transformed to destruction of steel structure or floors,

Nonsense. The top 15 floors of the tower have a mass of ca. 25,000,000 kg. When they drop through the height of one floor, say 3.75 meters, and accelerate at 70% of g, then 30% of 919,218,750 Joules = 276 MJ of potential energy are converted to destruction. That's equivalent to 150 pounds of TNT. I think that is easily sufficient.

nothing visible is crushing anything,

I see a building structure 63x63x56 meters weighing 25,000 tons. Why you see nothing is mysterious.

and yet we already have the dust could, which in the Fort Worth case required all the potential energy of the demolished building.

Why "all"??
The top 15 floors of the WTC have rouchly twice the mass of the entire Landmark tower.

So in Texas you say that you need all the energy for this dust cloud,

No. I can't and I don't.

and in NYC you can do it without anything hitting the ground?

With the mass of two Landmark towers hitting many tens of thousands more of mass.

I think you need to go to the largest skyscraper in your region, stand at the foot of it, and imagine what it will do if it falls on another of its kind.
Chances are that the largest highriise in your area is smaller (by volume and mass) than the top 15 floors of the WTC towers.

anyways thanks for your comments, bed time.

Good night.

 

[ElMondoHummus]

Jeebus... This is turning into another "greatest hits" thread. I think it's time to just link old threads/individual posts and be done with it.

 

[HotRodDeluxe]

Silent, no blast effects explosives.

What will his kid(s) think when they see his delusion on 911?

Free-fail?

 

[carlitos]

Watching too much RT?

I go to Europe from 5-10 times per year, and I have to say that I'm still disturbed that RT is a basic channel in the low numbers (channel 12, for argument's sake) on basic cable in most European countries. What in the hell is wrong with these media companies? Does John Q German need to see Niels Harrit say "hundreds of tonnes of explosives?" Does Jacques Q French need to hear Alex Jones talk about anti-vaccine nonsense? What in the hell led to this deal with RT?

I think (I'm not positive) that I watched a Jihadist fund-raiser on RT while in Europe a few years ago. Lots of footage of brave arabs on horseback, while your paypal donation could go to the PLO or whatever.

 

[BasqueArch]

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With thermite based explosives I was talking about the patented two layer explosive, with an oxide component. so it has both heat and shockwave components. Yes there was a lot of sound - just like all the eyewitnesses etc talked about, but no, there were no typical RDX sounds. Just like in this thermite demolition patent, the advantage with thermite demolition is that is produces LESS sound. Some sound, but LESS than typical RDX:
http://www.google.com/patents/US5532449

From Patent: Using plasma torch and thermite to demolish concrete



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NOW BELIEVES EVIL VOLUNTEERS WITH BLOWTORCHES

 

[HotRodDeluxe]

I go to Europe from 5-10 times per year, and I have to say that I'm still disturbed that RT is a basic channel in the low numbers (channel 12, for argument's sake) on basic cable in most European countries. What in the hell is wrong with these media companies? Does John Q German need to see Niels Harrit say "hundreds of tonnes of explosives?" Does Jacques Q French need to hear Alex Jones talk about anti-vaccine nonsense? What in the hell led to this deal with RT?

I think (I'm not positive) that I watched a Jihadist fund-raiser on RT while in Europe a few years ago. Lots of footage of brave arabs on horseback, while your paypal donation could go to the PLO or whatever.

What is it with CT'ers who denounce western media as lies because of NWO/Jewish (or whatever BS they believe) ownership, and yet, they'll believe any old drivel spewed by RT and Presstv?

 

[ozeco41]

Jeebus... This is turning into another "greatest hits" thread. I think it's time to just link old threads/individual posts and be done with it.

Somebody has to keep feeding the troll otherwise he would fade away.

 

[ergo]

Oh, look, a "meat grinder". Look at the floors failing progressively, smashing people and furniture in between them, getting all "scrambled" up, and then somehow simultaneously spewing them in all directions up and out. What an energetic series of floor failures!

Those floors must be so heavy that they just instantly smash each other, and all their contents, furnishings, people, desks, file cabinets, marble slabs, safes, all into fine particles, and then somehow still have enough energy to propel themselves in their particulate state laterally for hundreds of feet! What a MASSIVE progressive floor failure!