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dafydd said:
Devout Hindus believe that their gods exist. Devout Christians believe that their god exists. Why should I believe the Christians and not the Hindus, that is what I want to know.
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Ya know, the basic feeling of the Church is simply if you're happy as a LDS great, if you'd prefer to be Baptist that's fine too, if you'd rather be Hindu go for it, atheist that's cool.
 
RandFan said:
Forgive me but I would like to say a bit more on this.

Cat, I don't know if you have taken a course in philosophy or critical thinking but this explanation of yours is a prime example of ad hoc explanation.
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Nope, never took a course in that. Anyway, I really do have a life I have to get back to eventually, but this has been way more fun. I'm just gonna try not to keep checking in here every 3 minutes. :o
 
Cat Tale said:
Ya know, the basic feeling of the Church is simply if you're happy as a LDS great, if you'd prefer to be Baptist that's fine too, if you'd rather be Hindu go for it, atheist that's cool.
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See my remark about straight answers. Do you believe that the Hindu pantheon of gods actually exists?
 
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Cat Tale said:
Ya know, the basic feeling of the Church is simply if you're happy as a LDS great, if you'd prefer to be Baptist that's fine too, if you'd rather be Hindu go for it, atheist that's cool.
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Then why do Mormons proselytize so aggressively? If it was perfectly fine to be another religion, wouldn't it be better to let people find their own way to the LDS?

Cat Tale, you've been great in this thread and a real refreshing change from the other two (who did little other than hurt their cause), but this is really weak.
 
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dafydd said:
See my remark about straight answers.
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Okay, just got one thing done came back to shut down and saw this, I'll answer this and then get household stuff done. Always looking for an excuse to avoid work.

Why should I believe the Christians and not the Hindus
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I guess I'm not seeing what you're asking. It seemed my answer was straight as an arrow. You need to believe what you believe in. No one can make you believe in anything you don't want to. I mean, why should you believe the Christians? If you don't, just don't. Why convert? I'm lost. If you prefer the Hindu religion... if you prefer atheism... I can't be any more plain in my speech than that. You're gonna have to tell me what answer you're looking for so I can get the question. I'm doing my best to answer you, so... anyway, now I really do need to clean the Cat box and such...
 
Cat Tale said:
Okay, just got one thing done came back to shut down and saw this, I'll answer this and then get household stuff done. Always looking for an excuse to avoid work.



I guess I'm not seeing what you're asking. It seemed my answer was straight as an arrow. You need to believe what you believe in. No one can make you believe in anything you don't want to. I mean, why should you believe the Christians? If you don't, just don't. Why convert? I'm lost. If you prefer the Hindu religion... if you prefer atheism... I can't be any more plain in my speech than that. You're gonna have to tell me what answer you're looking for so I can get the question. I'm doing my best to answer you, so... anyway, now I really do need to clean the Cat box and such...
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Do you believe that the Hindu pantheon of gods actually exist? You have an odd idea about the meaning of the word straight. Your arrow looks more like a corkscrew.
 
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Doesn't something nasty happen if you die holding the Mormon belief to be false, according to the Mormon church?
 
Cat Tale said:
Okay, just got one thing done came back to shut down and saw this, I'll answer this and then get household stuff done. Always looking for an excuse to avoid work.
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I will happily also admit to a hatred of the household malarkey.


Cat Tale said:
I guess I'm not seeing what you're asking. It seemed my answer was straight as an arrow. You need to believe what you believe in. No one can make you believe in anything you don't want to. I mean, why should you believe the Christians? If you don't, just don't. Why convert? I'm lost.
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It is the christian objective to convert me. I don't seek them out, they arrive at my door, without me asking them.

Cat Tale said:
If you prefer the Hindu religion... if you prefer atheism... I can't be any more plain in my speech than that.
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I have no preference, I disbelieve them all, with evidence, or more accurately, no evidence at all. They come seeking me, and are most discombobulated when I have answers they don't much like.

Cat Tale said:
You're gonna have to tell me what answer you're looking for so I can get the question. I'm doing my best to answer you, so... anyway, now I really do need to clean the Cat box and such...
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Not looking for anything, really. Maybe some evidence that any of this religious stuff is real. Yet to see any.
 
ShadowSot said:
Doesn't something nasty happen if you die holding the Mormon belief to be false, according to the Mormon church?
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LDS have a rather extensive afterlife scenario. If you didn't become a Mormon down here, you have a chance to hear the "truth" after you die, although for reasons that were never clear to me, you have to have a mortal body be baptized, hence their baptisms for the dead. I always thought that was particularly bizarre tenet, and I was raised in a split Mormon/Catholic home, so I was exposed to a lot of weirdness.

You might be thinking of the Mormon version of hell, which is Outer Darkness. Non-Mormons aren't eligible for that, and Cat Tale has mentioned earlier in the thread that her view is that Mormons who leave the church aren't eligible either, b/c they didn't really have a real knowledge of the truth of the Gospel. I don't recall that from my childhood--it was considered quite dire to deny Mormonism, and they do spend a great deal of energy continuing to visit non-active members to get them active again.
 
Empress said:
You might be thinking of the Mormon version of hell, which is Outer Darkness. Non-Mormons aren't eligible for that, and Cat Tale has mentioned earlier in the thread that her view is that Mormons who leave the church aren't eligible either, b/c they didn't really have a real knowledge of the truth of the Gospel. I don't recall that from my childhood--it was considered quite dire to deny Mormonism, and they do spend a great deal of energy continuing to visit non-active members to get them active again.
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Hence my question. Surely if being not a mormon removes the possibility of the outer darkness, then far better to be not a mormon.
 
abaddon said:
Hence my question. Surely if being not a mormon removes the possibility of the outer darkness, then far better to be not a mormon.
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I'm reminded of the joke about the local who asks a Christian missionary if his god would have sent him to Hell even if he'd never heard of Jesus. The missionary assures him that Jesus would never do that. The local then asks, "So why did you tell me?".
 
dafydd said:
Devout Hindus believe that their gods exist. Devout Christians believe that their god exists. Why should I believe the Christians and not the Hindus, that is what I want to know.
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Sorry, Pup just came in and showed me the previous question, which honestly I missed. I saw this one asking why you should believe the Christians and not the Hindus and thought you were asking me to make a decision for you. Obviously, I can't make that decision for you.

Yep, devout Hindus do believe their gods exist, most Christians do not believe Hindu gods exist, and to the best of my knowledge neither do Mormons. We believe in one supreme God -- the Father, and in His Son -- Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.

I know your next question, and that is why do I believe in the Christian God, but not others. Because of faith and testimony, which cannot be argued with any logic. Though on this one, Mormons do not stand alone in the Xian world.

Edited to add, that they can probably say they have their own testimony based on faith as well, and that's okay with me.
 
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Empress said:
You might be thinking of the Mormon version of hell, which is Outer Darkness. Non-Mormons aren't eligible for that, and Cat Tale has mentioned earlier in the thread that her view is that Mormons who leave the church aren't eligible either, b/c they didn't really have a real knowledge of the truth of the Gospel. I don't recall that from my childhood--it was considered quite dire to deny Mormonism, and they do spend a great deal of energy continuing to visit non-active members to get them active again.
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Hence my question. Surely if being not a mormon removes the possibility of the outer darkness, then far better to be not a mormon.
 
Empress said:
LDS have a rather extensive afterlife scenario. If you didn't become a Mormon down here, you have a chance to hear the "truth" after you die, although for reasons that were never clear to me, you have to have a mortal body be baptized, hence their baptisms for the dead. I always thought that was particularly bizarre tenet, and I was raised in a split Mormon/Catholic home, so I was exposed to a lot of weirdness.

You might be thinking of the Mormon version of hell, which is Outer Darkness. Non-Mormons aren't eligible for that, and Cat Tale has mentioned earlier in the thread that her view is that Mormons who leave the church aren't eligible either, b/c they didn't really have a real knowledge of the truth of the Gospel. I don't recall that from my childhood--it was considered quite dire to deny Mormonism, and they do spend a great deal of energy continuing to visit non-active members to get them active again.
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It's called "calling and election made sure". Relatively I far prefer LDS salvation over all others. This black and white saved only by grace is about as silly (and monstrous) a thing as there is. But calling and election made sure is truly bizarre bit of ad hoc reasoning. It's one of those intuitive, not thought out well, bits of mythology. It shows a gross lack of understanding of human psychology and epistemology. The concept is utterly lacking any philosophical rigor. I'm willing to bet good money that the Philosophy Dept at BYU have fun with it from time time (along with debates about whether or not Adam had a belly button).

BTW: This kind of childish pop theology was something that caused me no end of dissonance. It's like some Jo six pack came up with a theory that contradicted relativity and I'm supposed to defend that. Worse, I'm supposed to believe it. :(

The Mormon Church dumped Adam God, Blood Atonement (not to be confused with the "Blood Atonement" attributed to Christ), and other doctrines. They ought to dump "calling and election made sure".
 
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