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Janadele said:
Bikewer,AdMan, JeanFromBNA, Hud: Regurgitated anti Mormon lies and misleading false propaganda is not on topic to an LDS thread.
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Posting about the LDS and the obvious lies and nonsense it is spreading is on topic in a thread about Mormonism.

If you feel any posts are off topic, feel free to report them.

Otherwise, respond to the posts or admit you can't do it.

Mormonism is quite obviously made-up BS. Nobody who looks at this religion with a genuinely critical eye can conclude otherwise.
 
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Janadele said:
Bikewer,AdMan, JeanFromBNA, Hud: Regurgitated anti Mormon lies and misleading false propaganda is not on topic to an LDS thread.
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Please be specific. What lies? I'm sorry Janadele but simply asserting that they are lies is fallacy.

You are entitled to your beliefs and I'm perfectly happy to respect them. But this is a skeptics site. You should expect criticisms and arguments against Mormonism.
 
Discussions of actual LDS beliefs is fine... but posting nonsense as being LDS when it is not LDS is not. I do not respond to anti Mormon propaganda. This is my choice and my right. Insults, bullying, and rude demands will not influence nor change my decision to not engage in pointless arguments or discussion on material which is false, misleading garbage. Whereas I will respond to genuine questions or criticisms of actual LDS beliefs.
 
AdMan said:
Posting about the LDS and the obvious lies and nonsense it is spreading is on topic in a thread about Mormonism.

If you feel any posts are off topic, feel free to report them.

Otherwise, respond to the posts or admit you can't do it.

Mormonism is quite obviously made-up BS. Nobody who looks at this religion with a genuinely critical eye can conclude otherwise.
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I don't think it's an issue of being on or off topic. The question is whether the named posters describe actual Mormon practices and beliefs, which Janadele says they do not. I imagine that if she is wrong about this it should not be hard to find some better references. I suspect, for example, that Bikewer's history is closer to fact than current believers would care to admit. But otherwise, since we are pretty well agreed that it is all made up BS, one need not embellish it. Janadele has stepped unarmed into the lions' den as it is. There's enough to go around.
 
thaiboxerken said:
I call troll, or idiot.. or both.
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I wondered how long it would be before Janadele decided to go full-troll. Previously, he or she had just popped out faux-naif statements on other threads. I think most of them were ignored and probably it would be worth doing here as well.

I mean, "Janadele" could be some beer-guzzling Aussie sitting in his grundies laughing his arse off at the responses he gets.
 
I don't find Janadele to be a troll. I'll concede I've not engaged with her until recently but, IMO, her behavior isn't trollish.
 
Janadele said:
Discussions of actual LDS beliefs is fine... but posting nonsense as being LDS when it is not LDS is not. I do not respond to anti Mormon propaganda. This is my choice and my right. Insults, bullying, and rude demands will not influence nor change my decision to not engage in pointless arguments or discussion on material which is false, misleading garbage. Whereas I will respond to genuine questions or criticisms of actual LDS beliefs.
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Janadele, maybe you can start by helping clear up some of these supposed absurdities--I am sure you know The Book of Mormon better than the authors of this site and can help enlighten both us and them:

Absurdity in the Book of Mormon

If you feel this is "false, miselading garbage," I and I am sure other members would appreciate some clarification as to why you think that is the case, as I believe many of these are direct quotes.
 
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Janadele said:
Discussions of actual LDS beliefs is fine... but posting nonsense as being LDS when it is not LDS is not. I do not respond to anti Mormon propaganda. This is my choice and my right. Insults, bullying, and rude demands will not influence nor change my decision to not engage in pointless arguments or discussion on material which is false, misleading garbage. Whereas I will respond to genuine questions or criticisms of actual LDS beliefs.
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You can put people on ignore if you like. Just click on their user name and a drop down menu will appear with the option to put the person on ignore.
 
AdMan said:
Janadele, maybe you can start by helping clear up some of these supposed absurdities--I am sure you know The Book of Mormon better than the authors of this site and can help enlighten both us and them:

Absurdity in the Book of Mormon

If you feel this is "false, miselading garbage," I and I am sure other members would appreciate some clarification as to why you think that is the case, as I believe many of these are direct quotes.
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Based on past history, she will not address his at all. Either she will direct you to the LDS website or simply dismiss this as devil work.

I don't think she's a troll, just someone who has bought in full the story told by the Mormon Church.
 
Janadele said:
Whereas I will respond to genuine questions or criticisms of actual LDS beliefs.
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Then go on exmormon with your current handle, we'll watch from here.

Oooh way too easy to dodge the documentation he was convicted wasn't it. Whoosh. Yeah, "the devil did it" you're not engaged in the slightest.
 
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ShadowSot said:
Based on past history, she will not address his at all. Either she will direct you to the LDS website or simply dismiss this as devil work.

I don't think she's a troll, just someone who has bought in full the story told by the Mormon Church.
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Interesting. I've heard of her posting at other skeptics' fora where apparently she has a history, but I don't know much more than that. I wonder what she's hoping to achieve.
 
Janadele said:
As we progress in our understanding more enlightenment is given. That does not mean eternal principles change. We will always be the same gender, which will always be the gender of our Spirit and our Intelligence also. These eternal truths do not change.
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If someone names a behavior that's currently forbidden by God, apparently you have a way of knowing whether it's an unchanging eternal principle, or something that could be changed by revelation.

How does one know? What's the scriptural basis that one can use to separate things into those categories?

One can't rely on personal knowledge about God to answer that kind of question, because according to LDS beliefs, an individual can only receive guidance or revelation from God for what they have stewardship over, not for the entire church. So if an individual member says that God will never give a revelation changing X, all it takes is for the prophet to say, he just did, to trump the individual's opinion.

So if one can say what things could be changed with revelation, and what couldn't, there must be a scriptural basis to categorize them.

One of the main condemnations of homosexual behavior in the Bible is in Leviticus, the same book as the prohibitions against eating pork and numerous other things that have changed.
 
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Janadele said:
I do not respond to anti Mormon propaganda. This is my choice and my right.
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True. It also defeats your purpose, however. After all, ignoring those statements you assume to be anti-Mormon propaganda merely tells us YOU think it's propaganda. It doesn't actually debunk the arguments.

Insults, bullying, and rude demands will not influence nor change my decision to not engage in pointless arguments or discussion on material which is false, misleading garbage.
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Apparently polite requests also get ignored. You've not yet responded to a single thing I've posted.

Whereas I will respond to genuine questions or criticisms of actual LDS beliefs.
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Demonstrably untrue. You've yet to respond to my genuine and polite questions and criticisms. I'm sorry, but that's the plane truth of the matter.

Wake up Joey and AdMan. I have no interest in logging in to those sites
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Why not? If they're propaganda you should be able to refute them easily.
 
Janadele said:
:D Wake up Joey and AdMan. I have no interest in logging in to those sites :p
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Why not? The site I linked to points out apparent absurdities in The Book of Mormon, which if you won't want to visit, a lot of other people will.

Why don't you want to visit the link? If you think they are spreading obvious lies about the LDS, couldn't they be easily debunked?

It seems to me like you are purposely closing your eyes to any criticism of your beliefs. Is that the case? Then why are you in a skeptics' forum?
 
AdMan said:
Interesting. I've heard of her posting at other skeptics' fora where apparently she has a history, but I don't know much more than that. I wonder what she's hoping to achieve.
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She probably believes that she is countering propaganda and lies. Folks, I was her. I spent two years debating with people trying to save them. Plus after my mission I spent many years trying counter lies and propaganda against Mormonism.
 
RandFan said:
She probably believes that she is countering propaganda and lies. Folks, I was her. I spent two years debating with people trying to save them. Plus after my mission I spent many years trying counter lies and propaganda against Mormonism.
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Is this a mission that the church instills in you, or did you decide on it yourself? Just curious.
 
Janadele said:
:D Wake up Joey and AdMan. I have no interest in logging in to those sites :p
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a) you fail to address the documentation proving his conviction beyond claiming the devil did it.

b) You won't argue some of the experts in debunking your cult, but you will engage in apologia here? No, you're either a Poe or a coward.
 
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