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[Skeptic Ginger]

This has all been covered at least 7 times each questions further up the thread....

No one has answered Aepervius' questions. You only imagine they have.

I've asked the same thing a number of times and there has not been an answer, because the answer is the stuff is not just more trim like the rest of the trim. It's trim that is closer to the hide and the bone, i.e. further away from the muscles.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Sorry what are you talking about and what are your resources?

That's all well and good but it is an industry propaganda piece from Beef products, Inc that is not supported by the analysis of the stuff.

Nor is that advertising lie (you seem to think advertisers don't lie ) consistent with the elephant in the room, if it's just like the rest of the burger why can't they just sell it as burger?

 

[Joey McGee]

An industry propaganda piece? Wow that's incredibly delusional. Those quotes are from the lawsuit they filed. You really think they lied in their lawsuit? Ha!

And every expert in the field agrees with them.

We've been over it all before have fun with your delusions.

This is really funny.

 

[Joey McGee]

I mean, to lie in your lawsuit about all of that, wow you'd really have to be an idiot. Since the point of the lawsuit is to prove those facts, you're actually guaranteeing that you'll be publicly exposed as a fraudster. Since all the experts say the same thing, since all we have as evidence from the opposition is people demonstrably misreading studies they are not qualified to interpret, yeah this is really funny.

 

[Aepervius]

I mean, to lie in your lawsuit about all of that, wow you'd really have to be an idiot. Since the point of the lawsuit is to prove those facts, you're actually guaranteeing that you'll be publicly exposed as a fraudster. Since all the experts say the same thing, since all we have as evidence from the opposition is people demonstrably misreading studies they are not qualified to interpret, yeah this is really funny.

Idiot lie in lawsuit from time to time. See Dover for compelte utter idiot. For a corporate example see SCO, that one went over what ? 10 years ? Heck see MS and their various sheenanigan and lies when got caught. The trick is not to "lie" outright, the trick is to present the lie in small part and hinge them together with truth as if it represented the whole truth, all the while not telling the small bit which would clearly show it for a lie.

 

[GlennB]

Sorry what are you talking about and what are your resources?

"Lean, finely textured beef (LFTB) is a lean product
derived from beef-fat trimmings. Characterization
of LFTB showed that, while it is high in total
protein, the LFTB contains more serum and
connective tissue proteins and less myofibrillar
proteins than muscle meat"
.....
"Financial support and materials used for this
project were provided by Beef Products, Inc. (Dakota
Dunes, SD)."

from this research paper , just for example. The collagen fraction in LFTB is reported and is double that of beef chuck. They used BPI LFTB, incidentally. There are many more such studies and they're easy enough to find.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Joey McGee, if it's just like the rest of the burger why can't they just sell it as burger?

No matter how many times you dismiss this question claiming it has been addressed, it just doesn't make it so.

In the industry's own marketing studies they found adding 20% LFTB to the school lunch hamburger made the burger unacceptable to the tasters. They had to limit the additive to 15% or less.

 

[mortimer]

If it is truly lean beef by 97% like the industry says, care to explain :
1) why it cannot be sold directly to consumer ? If the USDA consider it meat, why not?

Have you provided evidence for this? Maybe I missed it.

2) related to 1 why it is not made a 100% patty of the stuff ? After all it is cheap so why stop at 15% in the beef patty ? Why not say 45%... ?

Lack of demand? Who knows? Does it matter?

3) ETA about the emat patty being too fat : nonsense. the meat patty are not exclusive 100% lean beef grounded, at least here (germany) the producer are allowed to add fat to the process, and they do it. If the producer were really concerned they would simply reduce the fat content they add.

So?

 

[Joey McGee]

Whoa guys the fact is that it is limited at 15% due to texture. I mean I was pretty sure there was no boogy men under my bed by age 5. All your "qualms" have been defeated by USDA personnel I don't feel the need to respond.

 

[Joey McGee]

Hey we'll see it all in court, be patient.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Whoa guys the fact is that it is limited at 15% due to texture. .....

Really?

Gee, funny thing that, texture is the whole problem as far as my dislike of the stuff goes. You really need to review the thread.

 

[Joey McGee]

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Edited by Loss Leader: 

Edited for Rule 0

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Here, let me help you:

"Lean beef trimmings" does not mean meat which would be muscle tissue. Instead using the term, "lean beef", is carefully calculated to imply healthy meat. In reality the name is typical of Corporate Newspeak:Cartilage and connective tissue explains the rubbery gristley texture I've been disgusted by and trying to figure out.

I wouldn't care so much if I hadn't been trying for years to find hamburger that didn't taste rubbery to me and wondering what was different about it.

I'd rather they just made dog food out of the 'lean beef trimmings'. My dogs don't care.

My point was the industry label of 'lean beef trimmings' is a marketing lie. My concern is I've been bothered by hamburger texture for years and I think this may be the reason.

 

[Joey McGee]

from this research paper , just for example. The collagen fraction in LFTB is reported and is double that of beef chuck. They used BPI LFTB, incidentally. There are many more such studies and they're easy enough to find.

You must have missed where the author of that paper issued a statement saying that anyone saying that his paper means it is less nutritious is reading the paper wrong. You must have missed the many experts who have said that the nutritional quality is equal or above normal beef for this product.


No wait you didn't miss it, you willfully ignored it.

 

[Joey McGee]

Hey, look, the delusional people won. The buyers of the product, the schools, even though they knew there was nothing wrong with it, they opted out to avoid controversy. Pat yourselves on the back. But the reason certain people such as myself care about this is that in the future we will need even more radical alterations to our food supply and fearmongering pseudoscientific incompetents will make things worse

 

[Joey McGee]

Idiot lie in lawsuit from time to time. See Dover for compelte utter idiot.

Oh yes, for sure they might have lied in their court filing! But if they did, that will be exposed like the lies in the dover trial were. I don't even know where you get this from

 

[Joey McGee]

So i guess the only evidence against the product comes from a study where the author of it says you're totally wrong about it! I mean... holy smokes jokes!

 

[Joey McGee]

“Our research is potentially being misinterpreted by some in the media as suggesting that LFTB has a deleterious effect on the nutritional quality of ground beef,” he writes. “Nothing in our study or what we know about collagen more broadly should lead one to that conclusion.”

You know what, I'm going to believe SG and Glenn over the actual author of the study. That's what I'm actually going to do.

 

[mortimer]

I've asked the same thing a number of times and there has not been an answer, because the answer is the stuff is not just more trim like the rest of the trim. It's trim that is closer to the hide and the bone, i.e. further away from the muscles.

This is a problem? Why?

 

[Joey McGee]

The reason they need ammonia is because they need to heat the meat to help it separate in the centrifuge. Increased heat leads to increased bacterial activity, the perfectly safe treatment prevents that.

Lets revisit the lies SG believes

1. A USDA offcial was bribed to let this go
2. This product was only approved as dog food before this..
3. Sorry I have more but I can't stop laughing