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I think it's because the invented pronouns look stupid.

Well, ok. But what looks stupid to one person might be deeply meaningful to another. I have no idea what it's like to self-identify as gender neutral. But if someone who identifies with no gender asks me to refer to them an "xe", I don't think it's ok to mock that.
 
Well, ok. But what looks stupid to one person might be deeply meaningful to another. I have no idea what it's like to self-identify as gender neutral. But if someone who identifies with no gender asks me to refer to them an "xe", I don't think it's ok to mock that.

Unfortunately, languages do not work this way, as to invent words for a very selected group of people, then expect that the population will fully understand its meaning. Besides, this is absolutely English-centric, as this pattern creating would make absolutely no sense in other languages, as in French for example.
 
I think it's because the invented pronouns look stupid.

Yes, they do look stupid but I'm willing to overlook that fact if I can use them in Scrabble to get the X or Z on one of those points lucrative spaces.

I too have no idea what it's like to identify "somewhere" on the gender spectrum. For years we've had transsexuals telling us that they were born in the wrong body and want to identify/be identified with as the opposite gender.

Fair enough.

But genderqueer ? WTF ? Your kinda sorta man, your kinda sorta woman, whatever you feel like when you wake up in the morning ? You're a truck driver wearing jeans, cowboy boots, a t-shirt with Cat Diesel on it and a baseball cap with Freightliner emblazoned on it by day and you dress up as a French maid on the weekends ?

This is a "thing" now ? Something other than a fetish or a bad fashion sense ?
 
Here's the latest from A+watch

Something as simple as asking for input whether APlusser's support legal restrictions on "freeze peach" as they like to call it is enough to crank up the rant machine. Curious though, as most of their more, errrrrrr, emotional posters are Canadian and have to be thinking that the poster who posed the question probably had something like this in mind when they made their query.

Thread....Couple of general Questions About A+

It's now a bannable offense to not take one of Grimalkin's profanity and insult laden rant's seriously. Thread.

That place is an embarrassment to Atheists.
 
Well, ok. But what looks stupid to one person might be deeply meaningful to another. I have no idea what it's like to self-identify as gender neutral. But if someone who identifies with no gender asks me to refer to them an "xe", I don't think it's ok to mock that.

I'm not mocking a person who asked to be referred to as "xe", I'm mocking the PC police in that thread rushing in with the trendy correction. If whomever the poster was referring to had specifically responded with a request to be called "xe" or "mugwump", it might be worthy of consideration, but it looks to me as though this is a movement to replace any instance where one might use he/she, e.g. not knowing the gender of the person who they are addressing or speaking of, and change that to xe.

Correct me if I'm wrong. Is it only to be used for specifically those who identify as non-gendered(if that's the right term)? Or is it, as it appears to be heading, a movement to replace genderfied personal pronouns with xe?
 
Well, ok. But what looks stupid to one person might be deeply meaningful to another. I have no idea what it's like to self-identify as gender neutral. But if someone who identifies with no gender asks me to refer to them an "xe", I don't think it's ok to mock that.

I think part of the problem occurs when it's a new word with no immediate and obvious derivation, and then people get arsey about it being used in the incorrect way.

It also happens with words like "racism" which have a slightly different meaning in the social justice regime. Which always leads to the "only white people can be racist" kerfuffle. Although I think xe and xir are less problematic than something like a redefinition of racism as xe/xir were never words to start with.

But yeah, in general if it takes a new word or two to make someone happier with themselves and their own self-identification then fair enough, it's a small (practically non existent) price.
 
Well, ok. But what looks stupid to one person might be deeply meaningful to another. I have no idea what it's like to self-identify as gender neutral. But if someone who identifies with no gender asks me to refer to them an "xe", I don't think it's ok to mock that.

They totally need to reach out to the otherkin community. Forcing fairies, vampires, werewolves, and pokemon to identify as human is human privilege.
 
Well, ok. But what looks stupid to one person might be deeply meaningful to another. I have no idea what it's like to self-identify as gender neutral. But if someone who identifies with no gender asks me to refer to them an "xe", I don't think it's ok to mock that.

Foolmewunz made a pretty good point just then. It wasn't the genderqueer person who asked to be referred to as either the singular "they" or some other stupider sounding pronoun but a mod.

I'm pretty sure that all pronouns are invented.

Sigh...

Yes, they do look stupid but I'm willing to overlook that fact if I can use them in Scrabble to get the X or Z on one of those points lucrative spaces.

I forgot about that possibility. The problem would be trying to convince your opponent that those stupid words are actually words.

But genderqueer ? WTF ? Your kinda sorta man, your kinda sorta woman, whatever you feel like when you wake up in the morning ? You're a truck driver wearing jeans, cowboy boots, a t-shirt with Cat Diesel on it and a baseball cap with Freightliner emblazoned on it by day and you dress up as a French maid on the weekends ?

This is a "thing" now ? Something other than a fetish or a bad fashion sense ?

From a quick look it seems that "genderqueer" is a catch all term for a bunch of different circumstances. So a Fa'afafine would be most likely be considered "genderqueer". But then I'd assume that would cause some strange paradox among certain social justice people because they would be forcing Western cultural standards upon a non-Western culture.
 
Yes, they do look stupid but I'm willing to overlook that fact if I can use them in Scrabble to get the X or Z on one of those points lucrative spaces.

I too have no idea what it's like to identify "somewhere" on the gender spectrum. For years we've had transsexuals telling us that they were born in the wrong body and want to identify/be identified with as the opposite gender.

Fair enough.

But genderqueer ? WTF ? Your kinda sorta man, your kinda sorta woman, whatever you feel like when you wake up in the morning ? You're a truck driver wearing jeans, cowboy boots, a t-shirt with Cat Diesel on it and a baseball cap with Freightliner emblazoned on it by day and you dress up as a French maid on the weekends ?

This is a "thing" now ? Something other than a fetish or a bad fashion sense ?

Sort of, but not exactly.
There's a whole swath of the population that feels ambiguous about their gender. If you see gender as a spectrum, they're somewhere in the middle.

I'm not genderqueer, myself. So, I don't know if it's appropriate for me to speak on their behalf. If you really want to understand it further, you can just ask some of them what's up. I can say a couple of things with some certainty, tho:

1) some of these folks are totally ok with their bodies and have no intentions of ever becoming more male or female. They're fine with always being gender ambiguous with the plumbing/body they were born with.
2) some are in the process of becoming the "other" gender, and will eventually probably self-identify as strongly male or female, he/she.

According to some definitions, at least 1% of the population is literally, physically intersex:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex

I don't know what % of the genderqueer folks are intersex. I'd guess some are and some aren't. And I don't think it matters. If someone has, say, outdoor male plumbing but just feels kind of female, who am I to argue? What does it matter how they dress?
 
{personal opinion}

There are no gender-neutral people. There are intergendered people, but no one is lacking in gender IMO.

{/personal opinion}

I don't know. I have a friend who identifies as non gendered. He feels some degree of disphoria over having genitals.

I don't know why I feel that this should be taken seriously and yet would take issue with otherkin and wouldn't take them seriously. Both are identities.
 
I don't know. I have a friend who identifies as non gendered. He feels some degree of disphoria over having genitals.

That sounds, to my laymans ears, like a larger psychological issue than gender disphoria. Not judging and what do I know though. :shrug:

I don't know why I feel that this should be taken seriously and yet would take issue with otherkin and wouldn't take them seriously. Both are identities.

Because people with gender identity issues, be they genetic, physical or psychological exist, while otherkins don't. :D
 
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