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Oystein,
Thanks' for you reply.
I am searching for information on industrial kaolin before replying.

Regards
Peter.

If this residue is found in china, would this perhaps be the type of china that could be created by mixing gypsum wall dust with water and then cooking it at very high temperatures. As the fires moved around the pile, the dust insulated the fires from the air creating minifurnaces.
 
The devil is in the detail.

Mister Oystein. Enough already. I am well aware of your contention. Of your conclusions.
Of your wit and charm.

Now it is time to formalize it. Write it up, present your case with your name on it so that it can be properly tested against the Bentham paper.
My understanding is Bentham must be replied to in the literature. After-which, your contention becomes open to further peer review in an on-going process.

You have to set it out so it can be presented alongside the Bentham paper, in argument, cross-referenced, right there and then; open for expert appraisal. A matter as important as this must go through serious professional yin-yang before you get to call the numbers. Something other than jet fuel and gravity brought those buildings down, and Bentham is the only paper to date tried to tell us anything other than the same old bull.
You produce your case in a way that a Professional can understand it. So that I or anyone else can lay your contention on a Professors desk and not have to find out you are as big a dick as you suggest the authors of Bentham are. Because this isn't about me. And this isn't about you. This is about the spooks of 9 1 1 .
 
... You have to set it out so it can be presented alongside the Bentham paper, in argument, cross-referenced, right there and then; open for expert appraisal. A matter as important as this must go through serious professional yin-yang before you get to call the numbers. Something other than jet fuel and gravity brought those buildings down, and Bentham is the only paper to date tried to tell us anything other than the same old bull.
You produce your case in a way that a Professional can understand it. So that I or anyone else can lay your contention on a Professors desk and not have to find out you are as big a dick as you suggest the authors of Bentham are. Because this isn't about me. And this isn't about you. This is about the spooks of 9 1 1 .

Gravity and office fires did it. Office fires had more heat energy than 2,500 TONs of Jones' fantasy thermite did it lie.

Office fires beat thermite, 2,629 tons of it. Are you fooled by liars? This is rocket science. Jones lied; this is why 60 minutes will laugh when you try to get this on the news. Use math next time.
 
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If this residue is found in china, would this perhaps be the type of china that could be created by mixing gypsum wall dust with water and then cooking it at very high temperatures. As the fires moved around the pile, the dust insulated the fires from the air creating minifurnaces.

Hypothesis of some "natural furnaces" in the WTC debris piles is plausible, but please do not forget that dust analyzed by Harrit, Millette and others should be created (mostly) from the collapses themselves (since dust was collected mostly in some quite distant places in Manhattan).

Hows the molten metal flowing like lava as seen by eye witnesses?

Is that "paint-like" too?

The probability that your unproven "rivers of molten metal" flowing long after the collapses of WTC were created by burning of thermite used for cutting some columns is the same like that they were created by burning of paints: it is equal to zero:cool:
 
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Remo, wake up and smell the coffee

What you ask from Oystein has already been presented by Dr James Millette.
 
Mister Oystein. Enough already. I am well aware of your contention. Of your conclusions.
Of your wit and charm.
...but have no facts and arguments to counter them. Understood.

Now it is time to formalize it. Write it up, present your case with your name on it so that it can be properly tested against the Bentham paper.
I have much of it written, rather formally: http://oystein-debate.blogspot.de/
The name doesn't matter - the arguments do.

My understanding is Bentham must be replied to in the literature. After-which, your contention becomes open to further peer review in an on-going process.
Your understaning is incorrect. Scientific debate can progress in many venues. Bentham was a poor choice - no scientists with integrity respects it. No one is required to go there. Nothing has come of this paper - it is an ongoing embarrassment for its authors.

Steven Jones is personally aware of my contentions, and you saw him run away from them, didn't you?

AE911Truth is aware of Millette's data and main conclusion, told their member base they would reply - but we saw them run away from it, didn't we?

You have to set it out so it can be presented alongside the Bentham paper, in argument, cross-referenced, right there and then; open for expert appraisal.
The actual experts don't care. None of the autors - not Jones, not Farrer, not Harrit, not Ryan - is an expert in the relevant fields, and no experts read that vanity jpurnal. The paper has had zero impact among the experts.

Oh, until James Millkette came along. Guess what - Millette puts Harrit e.al. ti bed - will you be the last to notice?

A matter as important as this ...
Wrong.
The matter is very unimportant. Paint in dust? Yawn.

must go through serious professional yin-yang before you get to call the numbers.
Wrong. Serious professionals have much more important things to do. For example James Millette, he has a serious forensic lab to run, actual litigations to settle, actual crimes to solve - not the fantasy role games that Truthers play.

It's up to amateurs like myself, with a weird fascination for some morbid theme on the fringe of society, to hold up the mirror to the deluded.

Something other than jet fuel and gravity brought those buildings down,
No.
Can you point to any professional publication that says this?

and Bentham is the only paper to date tried to tell us anything other than the same old bull.
No. Bentham cashed a cheque and wrote a thank-you note.

You produce your case in a way that a Professional can understand it.
Already done. The professional in question - Prof Jones, who needs to admit to having committed this folly - ran away.

So that I or anyone else can lay your contention on a Professors desk and not have to find out you are as big a dick as you suggest the authors of Bentham are.
You did lay it on a professors desk, remember? Said professor ran away.

Because this isn't about me. And this isn't about you. This is about the spooks of 9 1 1 .
No, it is about a bunch of deluded, sometimes dishonest, fringers.
 
I see that none of the new truthers will take on any comment and analysis I made 3 1/2 years ago.

Pick one of my posts that analyses the data in the Harrit et al paper and have at it twoofies! That entire paper has been debunked. It's wishful nonsense.
 
At Mr Oystein.

Fair enough.

Will pass this around. see what it shakes up.

http://oystein-debate.blogspot.de/

Predictions:
1. Most will ignore it and pretend they don't see it
2. "Poisoning the well" and "attacking the messenger" will ensue, before any of the arguments I make are even read. They'll say "hey, he's from JREF, that den of snake, surely he is an evil one"
3. Opinions acknowledging or even agreeing with my arguments, if any pop up, will get booed, voted down and/or get censored
4. No one will actually tackel the arguments I actually make
 
The mix

Your predictions notwithstanding, and while we wait, Prof Harrit/Jones produced their paper for 'amateurs with a weird fascination for morbid themes on the fringe of society holding up mirrors to the deluded' - to have a bang at.
You very much need to PRODUCE your PAPER in a peer-reviewed scientific journal with your name on it so that it can be properly responded to in the literature. Otherwise you are exactly as you say you are.
Prof. Harrit/Jones produced their paper. Now its your turn.
 
Your predictions notwithstanding, and while we wait, Prof Harrit/Jones produced their paper for 'amateurs with a weird fascination for morbid themes on the fringe of society holding up mirrors to the deluded' - to have a bang at.
You very much need to PRODUCE your PAPER in a peer-reviewed scientific journal with your name on it so that it can be properly responded to in the literature. Otherwise you are exactly as you say you are.
Prof. Harrit/Jones produced their paper. Now its your turn.

They produced their paper in order to perpetuate a lie. It needs no further scrutiny. Reality is what it is. A plane load of Americans figured out 9/11 before it was even over. What's taking twoofers so long??
 
Your predictions notwithstanding, and while we wait, Prof Harrit/Jones produced their paper for 'amateurs with a weird fascination for morbid themes on the fringe of society holding up mirrors to the deluded' - to have a bang at.
You very much need to PRODUCE your PAPER in a peer-reviewed scientific journal with your name on it so that it can be properly responded to in the literature. Otherwise you are exactly as you say you are.
Prof. Harrit/Jones produced their paper. Now its your turn.

See here: Paper is in the making.
And yes, I, personally, contribute to it, through money donation, discussion, recommendations and providing documentation.
;)
 
I am very glad to hear Dr. Millette is keen to finish his report. It will save Mr Mohr having to keep asking. ['final report' Dang? is he off the back burner yet?]

In the meantime, in the interests of science and truth, you may wish to contribute to another study.

http://911blogger.com/news/2012-11-30/chemical-engineer-mark-basile-conduct-new-nano-thermite-study

Hi Remo
Could you tell me who will be carrying out the tests when Mark has raised the money.

The new Basile study has already been raised in other threads.
 
I am very glad to hear Dr. Millette is keen to finish his report. It will save Mr Mohr having to keep asking. ['final report' Dang? is he off the back burner yet?]

In the meantime, in the interests of science and truth, you may wish to contribute to another study.

http://911blogger.com/news/2012-11-30/chemical-engineer-mark-basile-conduct-new-nano-thermite-study

I am giving it my best try. I called Mark Basile just before Thanksgiving, and we chatted about the old experiments, and some ideas that should be kept in mind when doing new tests.

Oh, and I am also in personal discussions with JM Talboo, co-author of that linked article. Told him it's not smart to lie about people who are interested in supporting your cause.
 
In the houses of shadow everybody lies.

Good on you. Collaboration in search of the truth of this can only benefit the science. Its the right thing to do. As to comment re: co-author, I have no idea what you are talking about. 911 conspiracy has created a culture of Lies and liars. Relies on it.
 
Hi Remo
Thanks for ignoring my post.

It shows the willingness in your truth :)
 
Good on you. Collaboration in search of the truth of this can only benefit the science. Its the right thing to do. As to comment re: co-author, I have no idea what you are talking about. 911 conspiracy "Truth" has created a culture of Lies and liars. Relies on it.

I fixed that for you ;)

By the way, some things that Basile said:
  • He agreed immediately that there are different kinds of red-gray chips, and some of then surely are paint(s), and that any new study ought to take this into account
  • He did not know there was more than one primer paint specified for WTC steels, and had not heard about the LaClede shop primer
  • He didn't seem committed to the theory that we are looking at thermite (i.e. Al+Fe2O3). Basically, he doesn't have an explanation for the observation of "molten iron"

Re: The first point, I asked him in a follow-up email if he has objective, analytical criteria by which to tell paint chips apart from "thermitic" chips (i.e. those that exhibit the vigorous burning and appear to produce molten iron) before actually igniting them - no reply yet.
 
Nanoengineered explosives

All due respect Mr.spanx but, do your own research.contact him and ask. He's not that hard to find. http://911blogger.com/news/2012-11-30/chemical-engineer-mark-basile-conduct-new-nano-thermite-study
It seems to me Mr Basile is a very good man, very experienced in his field. a material scientist who expresses wonder at primer paint igniting in a thermitic reaction producing molten iron.
He is asking for anyone able to substantively help to do so. The more the merrier.

Time to step up Mister Oystein.
 

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