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Dr Phil promotes "Satanic Ritual Abuse" conspiracy theory

Scott Sommers said:
She might do this for business reasons, but I do see the irony. Most of the people posting on this thread are posting in their real names. Monica Pignotti posts and works in her real name. It's the same thing over on the 9/1 subforum. almost all the Truthers use screen names, and some of them are leading figures in their conspiracy movement. Only Tony Szamboti posts in his real name and he's always whining how JREF members don't use their real names. It's a strange manifestation of cowardice.
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I don't have a problem with screen name aliases. However, it is irksome when it happens -- as it did somewhere in the Amazon threads of the 22 Faces book reviews -- that somebody using a screen name carries on about their credentials and qualifications. Either you state exactly who you are, or you give up the right to claim any unique qualifications whatsoever -- you're left to making an actual argument (which you should do regardless of whether you can prove certain credentials or not). I don't understand, when people using screen names are presenting valid arguments that would remain valid regardless of who they are in the "real world", you get these real name tough-guys ranting about the aliases. What is it they are really asking for? Are they saying that they want to try looking this person up and meeting face-to-face so as to "settle this like men", or some such idiocy? Are they saying they are going to sue the person commenting? Are they simply saying they would like to look that person up and use whatever they can in an ad hominem attack that distracts from whatever the topic is at hand? It's never quite clear.
So anyway -- in my mind, it's fine to use a screen name if you aren't trying to use your anecdote or credentials, or otherwise using the idea of unique knowledge that can't be traced by your screen name, to support your position.
I just find it hilarious that I have all these screen names and aliases crying about a pen-name that conceals nothing.
 
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Judy, Judy, Judy "Whatever" is uncharacteristically subdued these days.
 
Altus said:
Judy, Judy, Judy "Whatever" is uncharacteristically subdued these days.
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I think she's being quiet because she knows her involvement can only hurt her. It generates more negative responses and inspires more people to write negative reviews. Not only that, when people ask her direct questions, her failure to answer them only makes her look bad.

It's like she's in the room, everyone will look at her when the simple (yet oh-so-difficult) questions like "Why do you say you worked for the Utah AG's office when they say otherwise?". Her refusal and/or inability to answer in a direct and believable way is far more damaging to her credibility than if she refuses to take part in the discussion. Then people are let to wonder if there even is an answer, instead of knowing that there isn't one.
 
joesixpack said:
I think she's being quiet because she knows her involvement can only hurt her. It generates more negative responses and inspires more people to write negative reviews. Not only that, when people ask her direct questions, her failure to answer them only makes her look bad.
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There you go, ascribing rationality to her behavior. It would take a leap of faith for me to do the same ;)
 
joesixpack said:
I think she's being quiet because she knows her involvement can only hurt her. It generates more negative responses and inspires more people to write negative reviews. Not only that, when people ask her direct questions, her failure to answer them only makes her look bad.

It's like she's in the room, everyone will look at her when the simple (yet oh-so-difficult) questions like "Why do you say you worked for the Utah AG's office when they say otherwise?". Her refusal and/or inability to answer in a direct and believable way is far more damaging to her credibility than if she refuses to take part in the discussion. Then people are let to wonder if there even is an answer, instead of knowing that there isn't one.
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She may as well rave on at this point. Had she never written a word in response to the criticisms of 22 Faces, the book itself should be enough to seriously damage the credibility of Judy and every fool who endorses it. For my part, I want to make entirely clear that if Phil runs this episode, he and his people should damn well have been aware of the problems with Judy's story. However, in the best case scenario they run the show and it draws more public attention to the raving lunacy of the ISSTD crowd and the irresponsibility of Phil's broadcast than it does boost sales of 22 Faces. It's really not a minority position that a story that contradicts itself is dubious... especially when that story contains such bizarre episodes of supernatural events throughout. Judy is an absolute fool to have replied to the revelation that the Utah AG's office reported having no relationship to her in the way that she did. Clearly, she would have been better off not replying at all to that one, rather than providing such a nonsensical and obviously... inaccurate answer. Once you make an asinine remark like that, there really isn't any going back -- and how do you try to spin that as some type of misunderstanding later?
 
Altus said:
There you go, ascribing rationality to her behavior. It would take a leap of faith for me to do the same ;)
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Welp, she's BAAAACK as of an hour ago on Amazon, babbling away. Never, never ascribe logic to a believer.

I doubt she'll reply, but I just posted:
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Your post, in reply to an earlier post on Nov 26, 2012 12:58:22 PM PST

CritThink says:
Hey, Judy, why do Jenny's comments show up on YouTube as "Fred"?

Mr. Seeker...That inspires me to go on because I'm risking my life to tell my story. May God bless you, too. Jenny
Fred Weindorf in reply to MrSeeker42 (Show the comment) 3 months ago"

Who is "Fred Weindorf"...her 23rd face?
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douglas mesner said:
She may as well rave on at this point.
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And that, she is. (The virus threat is an attempt to get any believers not to come here. I guess one could call critical thinking a virus of sorts :-)

Posted on Nov 26, 2012 5:28:42 AM PST
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Judy Byington says:
Since childhood Jenny Hill felt impressed to pen her life experiences and began writing in journals, where alter personalities would also expose their life together. When Jenny wrote out chapters to her biography her alters again expressed their feelings.

I am a retired LCSW supervisor of mental health who has been Jenny's friend and biographer while using her journals to write "Twenty-Two Faces." We both have had numerous spiritual experiences while preparing "Twenty-Two Faces" for publication with the purpose of making the public aware of the prevelance of Satanic Ritual Abuse in our society.

This comment will be followed, I'm sure, by those on the dark side who don't want the truth exposed. They will repeat the same falsehoods stated in the one and two star ratings of this website, plus their various other blogs and websites. I am wary of any websites they point to since they have been found to contain viruses.

On the other side, professionals in the field of Dissociate Identity Disorder appear very supportive of "Twenty-Two Faces" as seen by their Foreword and kudos in 22 Faces, reviews of the book and quotes from it at the ISSTD national conference this year.

One wonders why Douglas Misicko under the aliases Doug Mesmer, ac2012, Karmakazi and so many others, along with his cohorts, put so much effort in attempting to cover up the well documented fact that children of multi-generational satanic families are being raped, tortured and murdered.

You can read more about perpetrators of Satanic Ritual Abuse and my connection to the Utah Attorney General's office in my next book, "Saints, Sinners and Satan."

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http://tinyurl.com/d9qgv8m

For the record, the "review" that she is replying to refers to her as "Dr. Byington," which Judy sees fit to correct because, well, she can't be giving therapy by law to Jenny or anyone, can she? Her video would seem to indicate otherwise, along with her NPR interview and her online seminar. What a mess.
 
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I suspect Judy And "Felicity" were aware that the last couple of 5-star reviews would be placed before they ever showed up. They were quick to comment with dire warnings that critical comments from the "dark side" were forthcoming and should simply be ignored out-of-hand. Incredible though, that one would sink so low as to make the false claim that the weblinks to counter-claims against Byington's BS contain malware or viruses. It's particularly ridiculous in this case, too, given that the weblinks in question are blogspot posts.
 
douglas mesner said:
I suspect Judy And "Felicity" were aware that the last couple of 5-star reviews would be placed before they ever showed up. They were quick to comment with dire warnings that critical comments from the "dark side" were forthcoming and should simply be ignored out-of-hand. Incredible though, that one would sink so low as to make the false claim that the weblinks to counter-claims against Byington's BS contain malware or viruses. It's particularly ridiculous in this case, too, given that the weblinks in question are blogspot posts.
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Well, invite folks to think for themselves and you take away their raison d'être not to mention any monies they hope to receive from their delusional ventures. You're messin' with a lot when you mess with believers...their beliefs are their real estate, their currency and they want you off their property, out of their pockets. They'll got to great lengths to protect their property and capital...even if it amounts to castles in the air, to them, it means something.

The sad thing is, they find even weaker folk than themselves to endorse their beliefs. They are "saving" these people. It's a scam that plays out over and over and over again. Snake oil, revival tents, Scientology, homeopathy.

You have to understand the human need for validation and deliverance from pain and boredom to understand the con game. It's not about being rational.
 
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I have to say, "Felicity" on Amazon has completely disgusted me. The impenetrable self-centeredness, the complete rejection of rational discourse, the lies, the ranting and cold accusations. It's all the behavior of an over-grown (perhaps geriatric) brat. There is no excuse for it whatsoever. I have no idea what her story is, nor do I care. There is nothing that can justify this complete failure of character. I've met good people who have gone through seriously hard traumas. "Felicity's" failures indicate over-coddling more than abuse to my mind.
 
FELICITY LEE EXPOSED

Since Felicity was socket puppeting so much on Amazon, I did a little poking around and found this. https://www.sos.wa.gov/corps/search_detail.aspx?ubi=603226143

She spent a lot of time on Amazon advocating for her DID site. Amazon took down her review of "22 Faces" after she featured the book for sale on her site.

Talking of book sales, I found it strange that I got porn suggestions when I visited the "22 Faces" site on Amazon. And then, one of the authors caught my eye.
http://www.amazon.com/Fire-Siren-Pu..._B009188RUW_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1354035867&sr=1-2

Hmm, Lori King, Vice President and Treasurer of "Ivory Gardens" DID site. And, now the evidence would suggest, BDSM author!

The reason I was probably getting her porn suggested to me was because she was hopping from her book site to "22" and the Amazon algorithms were associating the books.

Just to be sure there was connection between Lori the author and DID, I found a Gravatar profile in common with a DID site and Lori's porn/BDSM blog.

http://vwoopvwoop.wordpress.com/2012/07/13/im-so-tired-of-trying-to-be-reasonable-poopface/ (Notice this guy liking the blog entry at the bottom http://en.gravatar.com/idolanuel)

notice the same guy liking this entry on Lori King's porn/BDSM site
http://lorikingbooks.wordpress.com/2012/11/09/words-from-the-heart-in-a-poem-release/

The two only have a handful of followers...that they would randomly have this guy in common is pretty improbable. Team that with Amazon suggesting those books to me and you got some pretty nice evidence.

Let's look at some of the entries of someone who advocates to protect those who have been sexually abused:

http://lorikingbooks.wordpress.com/...ans-point-of-view-through-a-new-masters-eyes/

http://lorikingbooks.wordpress.com/2012/11/08/with-tonya-kinzer/

Doug classified "22 Faces" as "pulp porn".

I see the book as mind-rape committed by Byington over a period of years against Jenny Hill. The fantasies of these women who profess to help victims of sexual abuse are very curious.

Again, the question needs to be asked, what is being advocated vs. what is being projected and who is doing the abusing? Felicty/Lori King badgered Doug the other night looking for details on "ritual abuse". It really was quite sick and she ended up pulling alot of her comments. Luckily someone got screen shots.

http://www.freezepage.com/1353385697UIMDZAKCSR

http://www.freezepage.com/1353388163IKWSGCJOVY

These are strange folk, to say the least, and they are running non-profits and web sites to "help" people with dissociative identity disorder.
 
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Altus said:
FELICITY LEE EXPOSED

Since Felicity was socketpuppeting so much on Amazon, I did a little poking around and found this. https://www.sos.wa.gov/corps/search_detail.aspx?ubi=603226143

She spent a lot of time on Amazon advocating for her DID site. Amazon took down her review of "22 Faces" after she featured the book for sale on her site.

Talking of book sales, I found it strange that I got porn suggestions when I visited the "22 Faces" site on Amazon. And then, one of the authors caught my eye.
http://www.amazon.com/Fire-Siren-Pu..._B009188RUW_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1354035867&sr=1-2

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Funny. I just mentioned this on a new Amazon review, noting that it puts her fixations, especially her bizarre attempt to interrogate me about the possibility of past sexual abuse, in a whole new, deeply disturbed context. She hasn't mustered a reply, but the votes against, attempting to bury my comment, are coming faster than usual... http://www.amazon.com/review/R1GR9B...J&newContentNum=27&store=books#MxT764JR2T7633
 
Altus said:
FELICITY LEE EXPOSED

Since Felicity was socketpuppeting so much on Amazon, I did a little poking around and found this. https://www.sos.wa.gov/corps/search_detail.aspx?ubi=603226143

She spent a lot of time on Amazon advocating for her DID site. Amazon took down her review of "22 Faces" after she featured the book for sale on her site.

Talking of book sales, I found it strange that I got porn suggestions when I visited the "22 Faces" site on Amazon. And then, one of the authors caught my eye.
http://www.amazon.com/Fire-Siren-Pu..._B009188RUW_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1354035867&sr=1-2

Hmm, Lori King. Vice President and Treasurer of "Ivory Gardens" DID site. And, now the evidence would suggest, BDSM author!

The reason I was probably getting her porn suggested to me was because she was hopping from her book site to "22" and the Amazon algorithms were associating the books.

Just to be sure there was connection between Lori the author and DID, I found a blogger common to a DID site and Lori's porn/BDSM blog.

http://vwoopvwoop.wordpress.com/2012/07/13/im-so-tired-of-trying-to-be-reasonable-poopface/ (Notice this guy liking the blog entry at the bottom http://en.gravatar.com/idolanuel)

notice the same guy liking this entry on Lori King's porn/BDSM site
http://lorikingbooks.wordpress.com/2012/11/09/words-from-the-heart-in-a-poem-release/

The two only have a handful of followers...that they would randomly have this guy in common is pretty improbable. Team that with Amazon suggesting those books to me and you got some pretty nice evidence.

Let's look at some of the entries of someone who advocates to protect those who have been sexually abused:

http://lorikingbooks.wordpress.com/...ans-point-of-view-through-a-new-masters-eyes/

http://lorikingbooks.wordpress.com/2012/11/08/with-tonya-kinzer/

Doug classified "22 Faces" as "pulp porn".

I see the book as mind-rape committed by Byington over a period of years against Jenny Hill. The fantasies of these women who profess to help victims of sexual abuse are very curious.

Again, the question needs to be asked, what is being advocated vs. what is being projected and who is doing the abusing? Felicty/Lori King badgered Doug the other night looking for details on "ritual abuse". It really was quite sick and she ended up pulling alot of her comments. Luckily someone got screen shots.

http://www.freezepage.com/1353385697UIMDZAKCSR

http://www.freezepage.com/1353388163IKWSGCJOVY

These are strange folk, to say the least and they are running non-profits and web sites to "help" people with dissociative identity disorder.
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It's excruciating to read Felicity's repeated attempt at insult and belittling by calling you "dougie", always with a lower-case 'd' and with the diminutive suffix "-ie". She repeats it numerous times, a propos of nothing, in the same sentence, obviously trying to elicit a reaction. It just makes me cringe.
 
douglas mesner said:
.... Incredible though, that one would sink so low as to make the false claim that the weblinks to counter-claims against Byington's BS contain malware or viruses. It's particularly ridiculous in this case, too, given that the weblinks in question are blogspot posts.
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Well Doug you can assure those DID recovered memory "survivors" that they will never have to be fearful of getting viruses and malware from clicking onto the JREF links and reading them because Dr.Colin Ross, the guy who wrote the forward to Judy Byington's book "22 Faces", is a member of the JREF himself and has written his own comments here.
Remember when Colin Ross joined the JREF so that he could apply for the million dollar challenge and then started his own thread on the MDC site to defend himself from unconvinced skeptics here?
Ahhh good times :p
 
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Roma said:
Well Doug you can assure those DID recovered memory "survivors" that they will never have to be fearful of getting viruses and malware from clicking onto the JREF links and reading them because Dr.Colin Ross, the guy who wrote the forward to Judy Byington's book "22 Faces", is a member of the JREF himself and has written his own comments here.
Remember when Colin Ross joined the JREF so that he could apply for the million dollar challenge and then started his own thread on the MDC site to defend himself from unconvinced skeptics here?
Ahhh good times :p
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I'd be happy to have Ross here to elaborate on his endorsement of 22 Faces. I would like to learn more about his position in the forward to the book where he suggests that the truth is irrelevant, only the healing that comes after. I would really like to know how whether or not an alleged trauma happened in reality, or as a byproduct of the therapeutic biases could be irrelevant to how that "healing" is carried forward.
 
douglas mesner said:
I'd be happy to have Ross here to elaborate on his endorsement of 22 Faces. I would like to learn more about his position in the forward to the book where he suggests that the truth is irrelevant, only the healing that comes after. I would really like to know how whether or not an alleged trauma happened in reality, or as a byproduct of the therapeutic biases could be irrelevant to how that "healing" is carried forward.
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You want to laugh at Ross until you find out how seriously he is taken is some psych circles. Here is the abomination he designed to test for DID. Go to section IX where it asks about demonic possession and ghost sightings!

https://scholarsbank.uoregon.edu/xmlui/bitstream/handle/1794/1505/Diss_2_3_9_OCR_rev.pdf?sequence=5

Here he is teaching social workers how to use the test last year. They get credits for learning this and then your health care dollars are spent to poke around for demons.
http://www.softconference.com/isstd/sessionDetail.asp?SID=252851

You wonder how women treated by these maroons end up having similar stories.
 
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carlitos said:
She's writing erotic fiction and can't spell "Trois" in that famous phrase.
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I've been looking over her material and it's all excruciating. Not because it's bondage porn, but because of the context it's given now that we know it is this particular author. It's disturbing in the way Rick Santorum being gay is disturbing: in a mentally disturbed ridiculously hypocritical self-deceiving way. It's disturbing in the context of knowing the author to be obsessed with fantastic stories of depraved child torture.
Now I'm looking through these stories and finding male aggressors described as bullies before hammering upon the hapless, lucky protagonist and I'm made to recall the instances where she accused me of being a habitual bully and abuser.
I didn't realize I was turning her on.
 
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