Proof of Life After Death!!

[GregInAustin]

... NO way for John Edward to know about fridge or Valerie Harper connection or tooth in pocket...no talking about any of it before or during event...NO We did NOT offer ANY info to John or hints while being read...we didn't fill out any forms or talk to anyone there. Seating was random. Fridge and Valerie Harper statements made directly to me and my brother NOT thrown out to the entire group of 75 people just waiting for someone to bite.

How exactly were you and your brother picked out of the 75 other people?

I would imagine John Edward loves doing his show with large audiences. He can say something completely random and SOMEBODY there is going to have a hit. "Has anyone here lost a loved one recently?" Well, SURE. 90% of the audience can relate to that. Then, when he does get a hit, he can throw some more specific but still completely random. "I'm getting something about a car, or car accident, or not going in the car when an accident happened." And so on, knowing that these are things that nearly every person in the room has experienced at one time or another.

I didn't read your story, but tell me, what other common item did you buy recently that he could have asked you about? A TV? Some furniture? Shoes for your kids? The reason I ask is because I think you would have focused on just about anything that he had a hit on, and would ignore the rest.

And just out of curiosity, exactly how many "misses" did he have while talking to you?

 

[Robin1]

I have nothing to do with the Patch news site other than my blog...ANYONE...no jokes please : )...can blog for free and I get nothing back from it... unless of course you count the sheer satisfaction of knowing I may be spreading a little "Light"....
As far as John Edward goes...my description is accurate ... you think it must not be...so we agree to disagree.
Now if anyone is willing to read my other blog involving my deceased Nana "Is it Just a Dream...Or Something More?"
I would be very curious to hear your explanation of how I knew about the slippers.
Assuming of course you don't think my Nana told me herself. And with this crowd I'd say that's a pretty safe bet! : )
http://yorktown-somers.patch.com/blog_posts/is-it-just-a-dreamor-something-more

 

[Pixel42]

As far as John Edward goes...my description is accurate ... you think it must not be...so we agree to disagree.

Nobody has said that your description is not accurate, though it's almost certainly not complete in that you (as would anyone else) will have tended to remember the hits more than the misses. The point is that there are far more plausible explanations (lucky guesses, surreptitiously obtained information) for the hits than that Edward was comunicating with your dead father.

 

[Sledge]

Is thread purely to give traffic to a couple of blogs?

 

[Resume]

I have nothing to do with the Patch news site other than my blog...ANYONE...no jokes please : )...can blog for free and I get nothing back from it... unless of course you count the sheer satisfaction of knowing I may be spreading a little "Light"....
As far as John Edward goes...my description is accurate ... you think it must not be...so we agree to disagree.
Now if anyone is willing to read my other blog involving my deceased Nana "Is it Just a Dream...Or Something More?"
I would be very curious to hear your explanation of how I knew about the slippers.
Assuming of course you don't think my Nana told me herself. And with this crowd I'd say that's a pretty safe bet! : )
http://yorktown-somers.patch.com/blog_posts/is-it-just-a-dreamor-something-more

Are slippers really all that unique an item? Do you understand how poor one's memory actually is? Do you understand coincidence?

As long as you refuse to factor these and other explanations into your equation, you aren't really as open-minded as you like to think.

 

[lopeyschools]

Yes, but I will emphasize my nitpick again. It is John Edward. There is no S.

I dunno. His late mother is coming through to me now and she says he was originally named Edwards, but that his birth certificate was a typo.

(I don't actually know if his mother has passed on, but considering he is 43 it's likely. If she is in fact dead, I will be starting my own tv show soon.)

 

[Agatha]

Ok, now my kids are going to be mad...Why are there no presents Mommy?...well darlings Mommy got obsessed and trapped on a life after death thread...

There's no need to attempt to guilt trip people, you can switch off the computer whenever you choose, and respond to some (any) of the questions at a time convenient to you.

K... NO way for John Edward to know about fridge or Valerie Harper connection or tooth in pocket...no talking about any of it before or during event...NO We did NOT offer ANY info to John or hints while being read...we didn't fill out any forms or talk to anyone there. Seating was random. Fridge and Valerie Harper statements made directly to me and my brother NOT thrown out to the entire group of 75 people just waiting for someone to bite. THAT is the proof...problem is not lack of proof but the lack of ability of some to even entertain the notion of life after death could ever be a possibility...EVER. Cause most certainly if you coud entertain that ridiculous notion you could also entertain the notion that communication is possible. NOW, I gonna go Chris..oh forget it..I gonna sit here and wait for responses...

So did JE say with no preamble "you've just bought a new fridge" or was it more like:

JE "I'm getting that you've bought new furniture, new appliance, could be a new appliance, new furniture, maybe for the dining room, bedroom, family room, kitchen, guest room, maybe it's the kitchen but I'm definitely getting a new household item, something like that"

RS "yes"

JE "yes, I knew that, it's something new to do with food, eating, to do with food having seen you react to the word 'kitchen' and keep reacting to the word 'food' it's a new refrigerator, right? Yes, your dad was telling me about your new refrigerator..."

Because although I've just made that conversation up in fifteen seconds flat, having seen John Edward on youtube a time or two that is how he works. He throws out a lot of stuff very quickly so that you cannot possibly pick out all the different misses, so people cling on to the hit which is buried in a whole heap of nonsense and repetition. It's guesswork and cold reading, plus JE does use researchers and hot reading, as has been explained. If you bought a new refrigerator you will have gone to the store or ordered online, you will have had a delivery, maybe the packaging to dispose of, the old appliance to dispose of... Don't underestimate just how far people like JE are prepared to go to find out stuff about their audiences. A quick google search is only the start of it.

I don't understand the tooth guy story, even after reading it in the comments on your blog. Can you explain it?

 

[Slowvehicle]

I have nothing to do with the Patch news site other than my blog...ANYONE...no jokes please : )...can blog for free and I get nothing back from it... unless of course you count the sheer satisfaction of knowing I may be spreading a little "Light"....
As far as John Edward goes...my description is accurate ... you think it must not be...so we agree to disagree.
Now if anyone is willing to read my other blog involving my deceased Nana "Is it Just a Dream...Or Something More?"
I would be very curious to hear your explanation of how I knew about the slippers.
Assuming of course you don't think my Nana told me herself. And with this crowd I'd say that's a pretty safe bet! : )
http://yorktown-somers.patch.com/blog_posts/is-it-just-a-dreamor-something-more

In your mind, does this anecdote constitute "evidence" that there is life after death?

 

[RoboTimbo]

I gonna sit here and wait for responses...

Robin, any chance that you'll go back to John Edward for another session? If so, an accurate transcript of exactly what was said would be very helpful in showing others that he isn't simply cold reading, that he is genuinely getting his information from beyond and not pumping you for it. A recording would be awesome.

 

[Nessie]

I don't think Robin is going to answer any of our questions.

 

[truethat]

I have nothing to do with the Patch news site other than my blog...ANYONE...no jokes please : )...can blog for free and I get nothing back from it... unless of course you count the sheer satisfaction of knowing I may be spreading a little "Light"....
As far as John Edward goes...my description is accurate ... you think it must not be...so we agree to disagree.
Now if anyone is willing to read my other blog involving my deceased Nana "Is it Just a Dream...Or Something More?"
I would be very curious to hear your explanation of how I knew about the slippers.
Assuming of course you don't think my Nana told me herself. And with this crowd I'd say that's a pretty safe bet! : )
http://yorktown-somers.patch.com/blog_posts/is-it-just-a-dreamor-something-more

I'm quite interested in your experience and I hope you don't let the rabid dog cynics here throw you off of returning. I really resent the snide attitude that people have towards new members.

So if you want to really share how it went down I'm open to read it. One thing that you might not understand is how easy it is to read a person's body language and detect facial cues and other indications of information.

I am hearing impaired with profound hearing loss and I can detect things about people that my husband never even noticed. Ex A woman twitching her wedding ring is a sign that she is nervous about her relationship.

Fleeting eyes, unwillingness to make eye contact means that something is hurtful or upsetting to the person.

One thing I've done over the years is meet people outside having a smoke and chatting it up knowing nothing and detected that the person is a tourist simply based on the cleanliness of their shoes.

I can detect ethnic origins better than most people because I've familiarized myself with different cultures.

 

[SonOfLaertes]

Robin, did you watch the video linked in post #65? Curious that you haven't commented on it. The fact is, most of us have witnessed a "personal" cold reading by John Edwards - via videos like this.

If you can truly watch that video and state that John Edwards was not fishing for facts with his subject, then you absolutely have blinders over your eyes.

Now, let's be clear, and let us use this to clarify the principals we are operating from on this forum. The video in question shows that John Edwards has used cold reading techniques with at least one of his subjects. It does not prove that he used such techniques with you, though. However, if you don't recognize that this video clearly shows the usage of cold reading techniques, then we are justified in being suspicious of your ability to objectively assess John Edwards.

 

[desertgal]

Proof of life after death...where?

 

[Foster Zygote]

That video that Foster Zygote posted is very telling. There were no hits at all, everything Edward said was guesswork (and not particularly good guesswork at that) and very clear cold reading. The host appeared to be impressed with the snowglobe but what JE was actually talking about was "something" on the table - his first guess was pink roses - and then he got Ginger to show him it. He never stated what it was at all, and then he used that to make a further guess about Disney.

And before he guessed "Disney" he guessed "Christmas". The video is actually an excellent illustration of why cold readers like Edward or Browne prefer to work with larger groups: It greatly multiplies the odds of a guess being seen as significant to someone.

 

[Nessie]

Robin, did you watch the video linked in post #65? Curious that you haven't commented on it. The fact is, most of us have witnessed a "personal" cold reading by John Edwards - via videos like this.

If you can truly watch that video and state that John Edwards was not fishing for facts with his subject, then you absolutely have blinders over your eyes.

Now, let's be clear, and let us use this to clarify the principals we are operating from on this forum. The video in question shows that John Edwards has used cold reading techniques with at least one of his subjects. It does not prove that he used such techniques with you, though. However, if you don't recognize that this video clearly shows the usage of cold reading techniques, then we are justified in being suspicious of your ability to objectively assess John Edwards.

Which is why I really want Robin to answer the question, did Edward do anything clearly different from all the other mediums you went to see? Or are you just a fan of his because he was the closest to being right?

 

[carlitos]

Maybe she just wanted some professional assurance that the big thing in the kitchen was indeed a refrigerator.

 

[quarky]

I new at this, but the link I watched of JE was like watching really bad slight-of-hand magic. Like, the guy dropped his cards and couldn't guess the one you picked.

It is somewhat disappointing that the messages from the dead are so mundane...though, in itself, that's not cause to reject them.
I had an uncle that mostly talked about golf.

If I could contact him 'on the other side', I could hardly expect him to reveal cosmic secrets. With luck, he'd tell me where some missing golf balls are.

This might sound cynical, but is it possible that guys like JE put people up to this sort of stuff?
With, maybe money, or something like it?
Seems like a cheap form of advertizement.

Does any one know what sort of money a popular psychic pulls down?
I have no idea.

 

[truethat]

That's the thing to me as well. I watched Sylvia Brown do a reading once on Montel Williams and she just threw out letters "I'm getting a person with a M or N in their name" OMIGOD She's talking about Marie, Mary, Melissa, Michelle, Mom, Nana etc.

What is interesting is that your father's name is Salvatore. if you think about it (And I can definitely get the ST reference here even if others don't)

But if you think about it ST Steve, Thomas, STEPfather etc etc etc.

There are a million ways you could interpret ST. If he had said "Sal" I would be more convinced.

A person who makes a living off "reading people" can read for stereotypes very easily. It isn't psychic it's just focus on details that others may have missed.

Another really easy thing to do is to throw out some completely random information that will sometimes stick, like the refrigerator.

 

[Foster Zygote]

OMG!

I've never actually watched one of these 'readings' before.
I don't know why I checked out your link.
Was that one abnormally bad, or is it more typical?

I've (obviously) never played around with this sort of manipulation, but I honestly feel I could have done much better than JE on that one.

Still, the 'client', or mark, or whatever they are called, seemed OK with his effort.

Good god, man!
Is this normal in the psychic realm?

That's why he prefers to work with crowds. If there had been an audience of fifty to sixty people it's much more likely that he'd have gotten a response from someone regarding his "J-M name" without the minutes of awkward, fruitless fishing. And, unfortunately, it is pretty typical. The most telling thing to me is that the woman seemed, at least outwardly, to accept that Edward had genuinely connected with some deceased loved one.

 

[truethat]

That's the thing to me as well. I watched Sylvia Brown do a reading once on Montel Williams and she just threw out letters "I'm getting a person with a M or N in their name" OMIGOD She's talking about Marie, Mary, Melissa, Michelle, Mom, Nana etc.

What is interesting is that your father's name is Salvatore. if you think about it (And I can definitely get the ST reference here even if others don't)

But if you think about it ST Steve, Thomas, STEPfather etc etc etc.

There are a million ways you could interpret ST. If he had said "Sal" I would be more convinced.

A person who makes a living off "reading people" can read for stereotypes very easily. It isn't psychic it's just focus on details that others may have missed.

Another really easy thing to do is to throw out some completely random information that will sometimes stick, like the refrigerator.


Also keep in mind that he does this for a living. Even if he's not reading you, if he's reading the crowd he'll pay attention to reactions to statements of others in the room. When someone recognizes something as he's talking to another person, if he then moves on to the new person, he's got information.