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Alan said:
Criticism is hardly ubiquitous (lots of people like it overall), but Unity is fairly young and issues are being worked out. Just like Gnome Shell (3.0), KDE 4.0 and so on. Do you forget the reactions to those?
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No. I remember. I just don't understand why so many Ubuntu users who don't like the default window manager suffer with it and complain, rather than install a different window manager.

Jay
 
I hear a lot of people who don't like Unity talk about how they've changed to Gnome Shell, XFCE, KDE etc. I'm sure that many others like Unity overall, but not certain elements of it and they complain about those parts.

There was a poll on OMG! Ubuntu! last November with 15,988 votes.
"Which desktop environment do you use as your default in Ubuntu 11.10?"
Unity: 46.78%
Gnome Shell: 28.42%
XFCE: 7.58%
KDE: 6.92%
GNOME 3 (Fallback): 5.95%
LXDE: 2.7%
Pantheon: 1.65%
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/11/which-desktop-environment-do-you-use-in-ubuntu-11-10-poll/
 
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I don't agree with the Ubuntu bashing, but there's some elitism among the more hardcore Linux users. I guess I'm more practical than that, because I find Ubuntu useful on new machines that I want to get working quickly, and I always leave it on as a fall-back distro because I'm a big fan of reliability through redundancy. All my machines have at least two distros installed, and at the height of my experimentation phase, I'd run as many as ten on one machine. I don't see the point of being partisan about distros.

The complaint against Ubuntu is most commonly that it's too bloated, but I don't notice any performance shortfalls in day to day use. Underneath it all is likely the bias against Ubuntu making Linux easy and accessible for anyone -- sort of leaving the door open for the riff-raff -- but I think that's silly. The more the merrier.

We should save our negative energy to use against the real enemy: Microsoft! :)
 
jt512 said:
I just don't understand why so many Ubuntu users who don't like the default window manager suffer with it and complain, rather than install a different window manager.
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I think a lot of newer Linux users are boggled by the range of choices Linux offers. Experienced users revel in it, but if you don't know what to choose, or even how to discover and implement the choices, then it can be intimidating.

For the average computer user, things are made simple and "friendly" by having choices made for them. There's nothing wrong with this in itself, but it's opposite to what the technically competent user usually wants.
 
eerok said:
Underneath it all is likely the bias against Ubuntu making Linux easy and accessible for anyone -- sort of leaving the door open for the riff-raff -- but I think that's silly.
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Well, since it's your straw man, I guess you're entitled to think of it any way you want.

Jay
 
jt512 said:
Well, since it's your straw man, I guess you're entitled to think of it any way you want.
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I've seen tons of ridiculous posturing from those who imagine themselves the Linux elite. It this attitude doesn't apply to you, then that's great. Don't call it a straw man when it's not even an argument, merely an observation.
 
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eerok said:
I've seen tons of ridiculous posturing from those who imagine themselves the Linux elite. It this attitude doesn't apply to you, then that's great. Don't call it a straw man when it's not even an argument, merely an observation.
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Well, everyone I know who doesn't like Ubuntu has a pretty good reason for it, so apparently our observations differ.

Jay
 
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jt512 said:
Well, everyone I know who doesn't like Ubuntu has a pretty good reason for it, so apparently our observations differ.

Jay
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Ubuntu is the end users distro, how many of you elitists know what Oberon system 3 is?
 
I wiped out my Win7 today, replaced it with Mint. Motivation was primarily to try it out, gain experience using Linux.

Had a bit of trouble getting my dual screen monitors to work, turned out to be a damaged cable. Replaced cable, now works beautifully with Nvidia and dual-monitor setup.

So I guess I'm officially part of the Linux cult.
 
Ah, so that's what caused linux's desktop share to go up today. :)
 
Dessi said:
I wiped out my Win7 today, replaced it with Mint. Motivation was primarily to try it out, gain experience using Linux.

Had a bit of trouble getting my dual screen monitors to work, turned out to be a damaged cable. Replaced cable, now works beautifully with Nvidia and dual-monitor setup.

So I guess I'm officially part of the Linux cult.
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"That's good! You've taken your first step into a larger world."
-Obi Wan
 
I've been reporting lots of bugs in Unity lately. My karma on launchpad got up to 330! One of them got marked as High Importance and a fix is set for a stable release update of the latest LTS!

I saw this:
Ubuntu is on course to ship on 5% of the worlds PCs next year, Canonical’s Chris Kenyon has revealed.

Kenyon, who helps lead sales and business development at Canonical, announced the gains during a plenary discussion at the Ubuntu Developer Summit on the company’s work with OEMs and ODMs.

Between 8 and 10 million Ubuntu units shipped ‘last year’, equating to around 7.5 billion dollars worth of hardware sales. That figure, Kenyon expects, will double to 18 million ‘next year’ which, he says, relates to some 5% of the world-wide PC market.
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http://omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/05/ubuntu-to-ship-on-5-of-all-pcs-sold-next-year/

Their current figures are much higher than I thought, let alone their expectations!
 
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Alan said:
I've been reporting lots of bugs in Unity lately. My karma on launchpad got up to 330! One of them got marked as High Importance and a fix is set for a stable release update of the latest LTS!

I saw this:

http://omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/05/ubuntu-to-ship-on-5-of-all-pcs-sold-next-year/

Their current figures are much higher than I thought, let alone their expectations!
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I stay with MINT until they fix the bleeping wifi. No issues from 9.04 through 11.04, then 11.10 boom, they crap out. Fix it and make with the clear wimax drivers!
 
Hmm, I think I should definitely jump into this thread somewhere....

I first tried Linux shortly after the first public announcement (version 0.12). I played with it off-and-on over the years, but didn't make the jump to being a full-time Linux user until '96 or '97. I had tried various distros (SLS, Ygdrassil, Slack, Red Hat), but the one that really won me over was Debian. By the end of '98, I'd joined the Debian project, and was a contributing, voting member till just a couple of years ago.

The main thing I liked about Debian was that it allowed you fairly fine-grained control if you wanted it, but provided reasonable defaults if you didn't. The other two biggies at the time were Slackware, which forced you to micromanage the whole system, and Red Hat, which basically forced you to roll your own if you didn't like the defaults. Debian was (and to a lesser extent, still is) a more complex system than either of those two, but it was so well-designed that you'd barely notice unless you went digging beneath the surface.

The other thing I've always loved about Debian is the ease of upgrading. Ubuntu users talk about how nice and "clean" a new install feels; Debian users brag about how long it's been since their last full install (2002 for me). Which is sort of peculiar, since Ubuntu is basically Debian-simplified-for-the-masses, but then Ubuntu has its fixed release schedule, which takes priority over smooth upgrades, while Debian follows a release-when-it's-ready approach.

Anyway, I'll keep an eye on this thread. I'm sure I have tips and tricks that some folks will find useful.
 
How do I install programs in Crunchbang?

I can download via Synaptic, but have no idea where they go after that.
 
Eddie Dane said:
How do I install programs in Crunchbang?

I can download via Synaptic, but have no idea where they go after that.
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Synaptic has probably already installed the package. You just need to know how to start the program.

I don't know if Crunchbang automatically installs start-up entries in your desktop menus. If it does, you should be able to find the program name there. Alternatively, you can start the program from the command line. Often, the command to start the program is the name of the package.
 
This post coming from Mint 13. I was happy with 12 but had trouble getting GIMP 2.8 to work. Added another panel to make it more like Mint 12.

Hard to believe this stuff is Free.

ETA: GIMP 2.8 is fantastic. Cinnamon looks slightly tweaked but is good.
 
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Remastersys is great. It lets you install customised Debian and Ubuntu isos. For example, Ubuntu 12.04 plus all the updates since release, with your custom theme (if you use the backup option) and applications you like. I wish I started using it earlier.
http://www.remastersys.com/

And possibly best of all: It takes me just five minutes for the entire installation procedure, when using one of these isos, compared to 20 minutes (add the installation of updates and other custom things, it takes about an hour to get up to where you can get in five minutes with remastersys). Nice!

But sometimes the installation does fail as ubiquity sometimes decides not to let me create a user account. Other times, it does. I don't know the reason behind that but I have submitted a bug report. It's still a huge time saver.
 
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