I like how you ignore the pages of text that have been written refuting you so you can respond to a single sentence.
I like how you're assuming there is a conspiracy so you can say the evidence points to a conspiracy.
Wipe the foam off.
I like how you ignore the pages of text that have been written refuting you so you can respond to a single sentence.
Wipe the foam off.
BCR
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You are correct. By 9:03 it was known that the US was under an air attack by terrorists. What was not known was whether NYC and the WTC was the only target. To defend against this attack, NEADS had 4 fighters. 2 were airborne headed for NYC. Also unknown was whether tankers would be positioned in time to refuel them. Only 2 armed fighters left. Wisely, other fighters were ordered to arm up ASAP. The two available fighters were on battle stations and scrambled AS SOON as an actual target was identified headed for DC.
Since no one knew when, where or if another attack was coming, having 2 fully fueled and armed fighters to intercept it was essential. So there is no debate here. Marr did EXACTLY what any competent commander would have done when THEY DID NOT KNOW when, where or if an additional threat was coming.
DGM
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Wow, better run to 60 Minutes.
As previously known, you don't do 911, or flying. They do have a section at Disneyland for you, Fantasyland. Have fun. Your mission to expose the vast conspiracy is best suited for your visit to the Mouse.
It happened because 19 people loved the USA so much, they decided to take thousands with them to Paradise, where they get 72 Virginians - Another fantasy, like your fantasy, but different.
What will you do now that you have been exposed as a spreader of fertilizer and fantasy?
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Dude, who the hell is we? You don’t know squat.
You failed miserably trying to talk about the Otis jets and the Langley jets, so now you think you have a chance with “The Boys from Syracuse”. Well guess what? You don’t have a chance in hell.
While you were quote mining, did you happen to find out how many aircraft were available for launch? How many air craft were available later that after noon? Do you know what the aircraft that did launch were armed with? Do you know how long it took to get authorization to fly after ATC Zero was declared? Do you know where they arm the aircraft from Syracuse? Do you think that Col. Marr didn’t know the answers to the above questions?
Until you can answer these simple questions, your post is useless. Just as useless as the rest of your posts.
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I’d rather have 72 women that know what they are doing.
Indeed. 72 virgins isn't my idea of heaven.
"an actual target" are you serious? There was NO radar track on the phantom 11. Scoggins has confirmed that right here on this form. It was nothing but an excuse to send the Langley fighters NE away from Washington DC at the very time Flight 77 was approaching from the SW.
Marr had to have known from 8:46 on that AA11 MIGHT still be in the air. He should have "launched the aircraft out of Langley to put them over top of Washington,DC,not in response to American Airline 77,but really in case [Phantom 11] were to head that way". Notice the quotation marks? That's because it's a quote from General Arnold all except the [phantom 11] part (Arnold said 93). But that's exactly what should have been done for even the slightest possibility that a high jacked aircraft MIGHT be headed to the national's capitol. From the mouth a NORAD General!
Notice also,Arnold had them directly over Washington DC NOT (where it could be defended from threats from ANY direction) NOT out chasing anything or trying to cut them off. There were MANY potentially hijacked aircraft out there. There was NO REASON to chase anyone of them. That's why the conspirators HAD to claim it was Flight 11. Because it was the ONLY one they could justify chasing because it was a confirmed hijacking & they had heard the terrorists over the mic. Of course,Marr knew AA11 had crashed at 8:46,but the plane the Langley fighters were suppose to be out chasing while AA77 struck the Pentagon (United 93) had been 41 minutes delayed and wasn't where it was suppose to be so they had to improvise.
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Are you on drugs? Do you even read what you write? Scoggins reported a target headed for DC. NEADS had no way of knowing it was a false report, so they treated it as an actual 'target' being reported by the FAA. If you have EVIDENCE, please present it. Otherwise, your comments sound like the rants of someone who has hit the bong one too many times.
DGM
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Why? Flight 11 was no wheres near there at that time (or would be) and 77 had not been hijacked.
Your knowledge of the future might have stopped the attacks but, unfortunately no one else had this knowledge.
Do you have a citation for the above? According to Colonel Anthony Basile, Commander-174th Fighter Wing they launched planes before flt. 93 crashed.
http://centralny.ynn.com/content/21996/syracuse-jet-fighters-helped-out-on-9-11/
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Other than quote mining, I doubt that FrankHT would have a citation at all. He decided to bring the 174th into his mixed up theory not realizing that one of us would hand his ass to him in a bucket.
Yes, the 174th did launch before Flt 93 crashed, but they were unarmed. I would bet that Frank has no idea why they weren’t armed. Nor do I believe that he will answer the simple questions I posed to him in my previous post.
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I really do not see why it is even necessary to continue this discussion with FrankHT. A "diversion" of the fighters would have been completely unnecessary. There is nothing they could have done under the ROE of the time to stop 9/11 from happening even if they had been parked right over Manhattan all morning. Thus there is no conspiracy to discuss.
With the SOF nonsense, I find it interesting how people can quote-mine and cherry-pick information to form their failed conclusions.
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Opening a can of worms. There were all sorts of unarmed fighters in the air both before & during the attacks of 911. In fact,a group of 15s left out of Otis on a training mission shortly after the two alert status fighters scrambled. They flew all the way out to Whiskey 105 only to have their mission cancelled. Also,as the Pentagon was being evacuated (long before the Langley F16s arrived) a pair of fighters flew over returning from a training mission (a 'Patriotic' flyover). There was NO SHORTAGE of UNARMED fighters that NEADS/Marr could have used that day,but they choose not to.
Thing is Marr could have had ARMED (hot guns) fighters up 45 minutes sooner but CHOOSE not! Why? How did he know he wouldn't need them sooner? or maybe he didn't want them up !
BS continues. You failed to source your fantasy. Best part, your claims are free of evidence, facts, and reality.
SOF - supervisor of flying
FrankHT thinks SOF is superman on the ground, able to step on any radio freq that ATC has. FrankHT also thinks the SOF is able to tell the future.
The SOF, if he was the one who knew what to do, would be more effective in the cockpit if he had knowledge FrankHT give him.
FrankHT never did SOF duties, I did; FrankHT has a fantasy, poor fiction, woo.