Julian Assange: rapist or not?

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John Mekki said:
The possibility may be that the Swedish Government and the Ecuador Government both know the law very well, but the Swedish Government is just trying to prosecute Assange for other reasons.
Can we consider this as a remote possibility?
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Well sure, but not just like that. At this level you could just as well blame Illuminati or the Jews.

I'd be interested to hear at what level you think the lie is, for example:
  • The two women lied, since...
  • The Police lies, since...
  • The Swedish Prosecution Authority lies, since...
  • The Swedish Courts lie, since...
  • The Swedish ministry for foreign affairs lie, since...
  • somebody else lies, since ....

At a minimum I'd like to see something that shows that it's a lie, if you also could provide a reason for the lie all the better.

I mean, when you say that the Swedish Government lies in their statements and Ecuador knows this, where is the statement where Ecuador specifically shows that Sweden is telling a lie?
 
Is it time to move this thread to Conspiracy Theories yet, as that's all the Assange sycophants got?
 
Here_to_learn said:
Well sure, but not just like that. At this level you could just as well blame Illuminati or the Jews.
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Again.
If someone disagrees with your frame of mind, being him either the former Brazilian President, Michael Moore, or several other hundreds of intellectuals around the world they are conspiracy theorists.
You are the one who knows.

Here_to_learn said:
I'd be interested to hear at what level you think the lie is, for example:
  • The two women lied, since...
  • The Police lies, since...
  • The Swedish Prosecution Authority lies, since...
  • The Swedish Courts lie, since...
  • The Swedish ministry for foreign affairs lie, since...
  • somebody else lies, since ....
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You are right.
I am definely a conspiracy theorist.
In fact, we all know that people, women or men, never lie, Governments (*) never provide false information and always say the truth, Courts are never influenced by their Governments in one way or the other, etc.
You definitely proved me wrong
(*) Of course it is “our” Governments who never lie, "their" Governments (Ecuador, Iranian, Brazilian, Indian and Chinese) always lie to their people.
And to us.
And this is why we have to fight/criticize/do not trust them
This is why they are bad.
This is why we are good.

I would be interested to hear why Ecuador would provide asylum to a rapist and why 12 Head of States support this right.
  • Maybe they are communists?, since...
  • Maybe they are terrorists?, since...
  • Maybe they do not know the law?, since...
  • Maybe they are stupid?, since...

Just another question, As for the relevant quantities of WMD in Iraq that were supposed to be there and were not, I would be interested to hear at what level you think US/UK Government lie.. err.. provided inexact informations:

  • The US Government does not have a proper intelligence agency, since..
  • It was all Saddam` s fault, since..

No.
Please do not tell me that the US/UK Government made it up to create a casus belli for Iraq, as this is not an option
 
Here_to_learn said:
If you want to discuss wikileaks, and they ways that what wikileaks has published has harmed/irritated the US, take that to a Wikileaks thread.
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What you do not seem to grasp is that, for some terrorist/communists/psychopaths/conspiracy theorists like former Brazilian President Lula, Micheal Moore, Oliver Stone, and few other intellectuals around the world, the Wikileaks matter and the Assange rape charges are indeed the very same matter and therefore they do not need separate threads.
Of course, you and most people here who know the right thing as you were in the room with Assange when he raped that woman so you know it for sure that nobody made it up, you know that this is not true.
But other people who have doubts, have other opinions.
 
tsig said:
Do you have any evidence of these 'unrelated issues' he's really being extradited for?
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Do you have any evidence that Assange actually raped the two women and that nobody made it up?

tsig said:
ETA: I see several other posters have pre-read my mind. :)
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I would have no doubt that people in countries on the same side think alike.
Example: most US citizens think that the dropping of the nukes on Hiroshima was a necessary evil, most Japanese do not.
But not all, some people think independently from what they are being told and from where they were born/raised.
 
John Mekki said:
What you do not seem to grasp is that, for some terrorist/communists/psychopaths/conspiracy theorists like former Brazilian President Lula, Micheal Moore, Oliver Stone, and few other intellectuals around the world, the Wikileaks matter and the Assange rape charges are indeed the very same matter and therefore they do not need separate threads.
Of course, you and most people here who know the right thing as you were in the room with Assange when he raped that woman so you know it for sure that nobody made it up, you know that this is not true.
But other people who have doubts, have other opinions.
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And since we're talking about celebrity opinions Robert Pattinson may not trust Kirsten Stewart any more! OMG! Lolz!
 
John Mekki said:
Do you have any evidence that Assange actually raped the two women and that nobody made it up?
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If only there was some way we could decide that issue.... like maybe get the accused and accusers in some place with some sort of a judge and some legal experts to present both sides of the case to work that out.

No, best just assume that because he upset the USA he would never commit a sexual offence.
 
tsig said:
Why would we think the Swiss are lying?
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Swiss or Swedish?

Why do you think Ecuador is using the institution of asylum to protect a rapist?
Why do you think Brazil and Argentina are supporting Ecuador in its right to give asylum to a rapist?
Why the US are not supporting Ecuador in its right to give asylum to a rapist?

zooterkin said:
Only if you take it to the Conspiracy Theory sub-forum.
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Bring former President Lula, Michael Moore, Oliver Stone and several other hundreds of conspiracy theorists intellectuals with you.

TjW said:
Please link to the posts you've made in this thread which offer evidence which is not either speculation, bare assertion, or the opinion of others.
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1) Pinochet was not extradited, Assange is seeked for extradition
2) The US Government did not formally say that they will not look for extradite Assange
3) The UK Government threatened to storm the Ecuador Embassy, something never happened before
4) The US Government was extremely embarassed by but never prosecuted the crimes that showed up in Wikileaks
5) Ecuador and several other Governments/Heads of State do not seem to believe the story that Assange is a rapist and made official statements in this sense
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Now, I already know that none of the hard facts above will be considered as “evidence” to you.
Not that I expect that you will change your mind

Before you say that the above is no “evidence”, then please tell me what evidence you have that Assange actually raped two women.
Please consider that people and Government lie all the time, so I would not consider the witness of a woman or two as solid “evidence”.

Do you have any?
 
Wudang said:
If only there was some way we could decide that issue.... like maybe get the accused and accusers in some place with some sort of a judge and some legal experts to present both sides of the case to work that out.
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So, you mean that, at this time you can offer no evidence that the accusations against Assange were just made up?

Wudang said:
No, best just assume that because he upset the USA he would never commit a sexual offence.
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Or maybe just assume that the UK Government is so interested in bringing a criminal to justice that threatened to enter a foreign Embassy to bring Assange to Sweden.

While the same country Government few years before protected an alleged mass murdered from justice.

How dedicated to justice the UK Government has become in just a few years!..

Oh, wait, I forgot again.. it is all because the law has changed in the mean time.. it has nothing to do with the fact that the alleged mass murdered was on the side of the UK while Assange is the one who embarassed the UK and US Government with the leaks.. it is all a coincidence used by Conspiracy Theorists like former Brazilian President Lula to forward their communists policies in South America.
 
John Mekki said:
So, you mean that, at this time you can offer no evidence that the accusations against Assange were just made up?
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I can offer the evidence that both UK and Swedish legal systems said there was a case case to answer but I don't need to do that because that is for the court to answer.
Or maybe just assume that the UK Government is so interested in bringing a criminal to justice that threatened to enter a foreign Embassy to bring Assange to Sweden.

While the same country Government few years before protected an alleged mass murdered from justice.

How dedicated to justice the UK Government has become in just a few years!..

Oh, wait, I forgot again.. it is all because the law has changed in the mean time.. it has nothing to do with the fact that the alleged mass murdered was on the side of the UK while Assange is the one who embarassed the UK and US Government with the leaks.. it is all a coincidence used by Conspiracy Theorists like former Brazilian President Lula to forward their communists policies in South America.
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And for the umpteenth time one of the main reasons the law was changed was because of the Pinochet case. You really should read up on the case. It led to many changes in international law and to the concept of international jurisdiction and eventually to the European Arrest Warrant.
 
John Mekki said:
So, you mean that, at this time you can offer no evidence that the accusations against Assange were just made up?
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I'd say that's your job.


John Mekki said:
Or maybe just assume that the UK Government is so interested in bringing a criminal to justice that threatened to enter a foreign Embassy to bring Assange to Sweden.

While the same country Government few years before protected an alleged mass murdered from justice.

How dedicated to justice the UK Government has become in just a few years!..

Oh, wait, I forgot again.. it is all because the law has changed in the mean time.. it has nothing to do with the fact that the alleged mass murdered was on the side of the UK while Assange is the one who embarassed the UK and US Government with the leaks.. it is all a coincidence used by Conspiracy Theorists like former Brazilian President Lula to forward their communists policies in South America.
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Perhaps we can assume no maliciousness where there's no evidence for maliciousness? How about we assume that no conspiracy is taking place until (if ever) there is actual evidence for such a conspiracy?

How about we let justice prevail by having Assange surrender himself to interrogation and probable trial?
 
Wudang said:
I can offer the evidence that both UK and Swedish legal systems said there was a case case to answer but I don't need to do that because that is for the court to answer.
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If we assume that the UK and Swedish Governments never lie and they do not influence in any way their Coutrs, I would say that, yes, you have offered evidence.

Wudang said:
And for the umpteenth time one of the main reasons the law was changed was because of the Pinochet case. [..]
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And if we believe, for example, that the UK Government could not extradite Pinochet, despite the opinion of the UK Highest Court who said the opposite, because of the “Law”, well.. one interpretation of the “Law” that the UK Government used, and despite the fact that they really wanted to and were deadly serious in bringing him to Justice had the Law been different or interpreted in a different way, but alas, we had to wait few more years to change the Law and by that time Pinochet was unfortunately dead or very very old, then, yes, you have offered evidence again.
 
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