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General Israel/Palestine discussion thread

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Dear amateurs:

Welcome to Fourth Generation Warfare. It's been going on for a few decades while a lot of you weren't noticing.

Learn it, and learn how it is fought, or risk losing. I don't care if you chose the war or not, it is in progress.

Remember what that pretty Lannister bitch said to Ned Stark?

"In the game of thrones, you win or you die."

Try thinking about that before you sound off about how various political bodies use force to achieve their ends. I get why the Taliban do what they do: it is the means they have available.
 
John, I hate to break it to you, but you can do all those things with great vigor, and still not be responsible for what your political leaders do.

You do what you can, but you are not all powerful. Sometimes, the crowd with more voices isn't yours.

Such is life, and such is politics.

Cheers.
 
224 pages in, wondering if there is something like a consensus or solution on the horizon.

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Darth Rotor said:
224 pages in, wondering if there is something like a consensus or solution on the horizon.
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Palestine surrenders, takes what land they can get, forces Israel's hand under the Oslo Accords, forms a country, everybody has a nice life. :)
 
theprestige said:
Do this: Name one terror act, policy, or campaign sponsored by the Iranian state. Then name one or more similar acts, policies, or campaigns sponsored by the American state.
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Derail, you start a thread if you wanna know this so bad.
 
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IDF takes out senior Hamas terrorist and issues warning by twitter.

"We recommend that no Hamas operatives, whether low level or senior leaders, show their faces above ground in the days ahead."

A firm hand is the only way to deal with punks like Hamas.
 
theprestige said:
Not my claim, not my derail. You wanna support the claim, feel free to do so here or in any other thread of your choosing. Meanwhile, I'm content to assume the claim has no support.
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And I'll just be content in assuming that you wish to remain ignorant on issues you don't want to believe or hear about. Not my fault you have a selective bias issues. Anyways, let's keep this thread Israel/Palestine shall we? Thank you :)
 
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theprestige said:
Do this: Name one terror act, policy, or campaign sponsored by the Iranian state. Then name one or more similar acts, policies, or campaigns sponsored by the American state.
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L.Y.S. said:
Derail, you start a thread if you wanna know this so bad.
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theprestige said:
Not my claim, not my derail. You wanna support the claim, feel free to do so here or in any other thread of your choosing. Meanwhile, I'm content to assume the claim has no support.
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L.Y.S. said:
And I'll just be content in assuming that you wish to remain ignorant on issues you don't want to believe or hear about. Not my fault you have a selective bias issues. Anyways, let's keep this thread Israel/Palestine shall we? Thank you :)
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New thread created to discuss the issue here.
 
I can't help but wonder how many of the Gazan people could have been feed by the money spent on those 120+ rockets
 
3 dead after Gaza rocket strikes southern Israel

JERUSALEM – Gaza militants, reeling from an Israeli military operation, killed three Israelis on Thursday in a rocket attack that is likely to exact a harsh retaliation by Israel.

The casualties were the first since Israel launched its operation on Wednesday with the assassination of Hamas' top military commander. Police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld said the three Israelis died after a rocket struck their apartment building in the country's south.

Since the Israeli operation started, 11 Palestinians, including two young children and seven militants, have been killed in Gaza and more than 93 were wounded.

Israelis and Gazans both holed up in their homes Thursday in anticipation of heavy fighting on the second day of the military's campaign.

Israeli aircraft, tanks and naval gunboats pounded the Hamas-ruled coastal strip and rocket salvoes thudded into southern Israel.
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Israel's 'Iron Dome' reportedly intercepts 13 rockets from Gaza in wake of airstrike on Hamas commander

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip – Israeli military says its "Iron Dome" defense system intercepted 13 rockets fired from Gaza on Wednesday in what appears to be retaliation for Israeli airstrikes that reportedly killed 10, including the commander of the Hamas military wing.

The Israeli military said the some 20 airstrikes were part of a major offensive dubbed "Operation Pillar of Defense," Reuters reports.

"All options are on the table. If necessary, the (Israeli military) is ready to initiate a ground operation in Gaza," it said.

Benjamin Netanyahu says Israel cannot tolerate continued rocket attacks against its citizens. In his first comments since Israel killed the commander of the Hamas military wing, Netanyahu said Israel is "prepared to expand the operation."

Hamas has responded with threats of retaliation.
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If 3 Israelis were killed, it would appear that 'Iron Dome' is not 100% effective. Still, Hamas is not going to win the war with rockets alone, although they may inflict a few casualties.

I suspect we may see terrorist attacks on Israelis traveling overseas like the Hezbollah attack in Bulgaria.

I think that Ghandi-style nonviolence would be more effective strategically than a terrorism-based strategy or rocket-based strategy, neither of which will win much sympathy for the cause.
 
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