Were The OTIS Fighters Diverted?

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Someone sent this via email with the following remarks.

Have you seen this video? We know about the diversions from Langley. Were the Otis fighters also diverted?
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I have not done a lot of work with the OTIS response, so I'll just throw it out to you guys for a response (or not). It seems there is the suggestion that based on Colin Scoggins calls to NEADS, the video producers believe the time stamps on the radar data sets have been altered. Keep in mind that would involve changing not only the 84 RADES radar time stamps, but also the FAA's (multiple) as well. Since those records do align with events recorded via 'live' television on that day, such a claim is most certainly without merit.
 
Wiki has a good basic rundown of the Otis Fighter response:

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Flying supersonicly, the F-15’s were just south of Long Island when United Airlines Flight 175 smashed into the World Trade Center’s south tower. NEADS wanted to direct the fighters over Manhattan, but FAA air controllers, fearing collisions with civilian aircraft, told NEADS to hold off. According to the FAA, there is an average of 200 flights per 24 hours over the Hudson River in the vicinity of NYC. The fighters were then ordered in a holding pattern off the coast of Long Island (in military-controlled airspace), where they remained from 9:09 to 9:13. After the airspace was cleared, the Otis fighters were directed towards Manhattan, where they arrived at 9:25 and established a combat air patrol (CAP).
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Much ado about nothing. The FAA was obviously the inside job bad guys in this entire scenario. It's obvious in all of the scenarios involved. ZNY diverted Otis fighters, Norfolk Departure diverted Langley fighters, and Indy Ctr along with others failed to detect AA 77 on it's path to DC. Wake up folks, the FAA was the inside job culprit on 9/11! How dare them to continue with their primary job of attempting to prevent mid air collisions by controlling traffic. Didn't they realize what was happening until it was all over?

Now, in the real world the narrator of that video (with an unique annoying British accent) gave the answer very early... It really didn't matter anyway, do why did he make this video in the first place?

FWIW, several of us have analyzed the radar returns and neither the Otis or the Langley fighters flew supersonic, except PERHAPS for a few seconds... In most cases they were above .9 Mach, but not supersonic. As one might expect they flew in mil power with judicious use of after burner except for very brief periods... How dare them to consider judicious use of fuel.

Another myth bites the dust....
 
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Reheat said:
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Now, in the real world the narrator of that video (with an unique annoying British accent) gave the answer very early... It really didn't matter anyway, do why did he make this video in the first place?
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It sounds like the narrator is a computer generated voice with an annoying British accent.
 
6:11 "It's speculation of course."

Thank you.

That's a German accent by the way.
 
If we truth seekers can convince the government to spend some bucks on a new investigation (let's write them e-mails, everyone!), then questions like these wouldn't pop up like a jack-in-the-box twice a week in this forum.

But then of course, the paid scribblers here would lose their jobs and the NWO would have to dispose of the people who partcipated in the cover-up, people who are in the know. Basically, they'd need a cover up of a cover up.

You need to learn that advanced PsyOp shills are now beginning to leak truth to pin everything on the US government as a whole (and a few selected military officers), to push the international community on US gov "war crimes", which if kept to/in the NWO kangaroo charade, could acquit many individual neocon stealth perpetrators, while nullifying the pesky US constitution.
Shills like FrankHT (of course a fake double account) are paid to pose as truthers and tackle this deception task.
 
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I haven't watched it, but heres my understanding.

1. Otis fighters were waiting on the FAA for a clearance. For obvious reasons they couldn't just blat them through one of the most congested airspaces in the world.

2. How long it took to get this clearance, and how long they had to fly around in controlled airspace, is completely and totally irrelevant, as they were not even able to get airborne until 0852, 6 minutes after AA11 hit the North Tower. United 175 hit the South Tower 11 minutes later with absolutely no warning, neither NEADS, nor the Otis fighters, knew of Flight 175's hijacking prior to impact.

3. Even if by some almighty power NEADS knew of Flight 175's hijacking the instant its transponder was switched to 3321, and the Otis fighters burned full blower towards it, and by some miracle identified it, Shoot Down authority was not available, nor was the idea of shooting down a commercial airliner full of American civilians even heard of!

In all, the 'Otis fighters being diverted' = '9/11 inside job' cannot possible hold water.
 
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Starving for Truth said:
If we truth seekers can convince the government to spend some bucks on a new investigation (let's write them e-mails, everyone!), then questions like these wouldn't pop up like a jack-in-the-box twice a week in this forum.

But then of course, the paid scribblers here would lose their jobs and the NWO would have to dispose of the people who partcipated in the cover-up, people who are in the know. Basically, they'd need a cover up of a cover up.

You need to learn that advanced PsyOp shills are now beginning to leak truth to pin everything on the US government as a whole (and a few selected military officers), to push the international community on US gov "war crimes", which if kept to/in the NWO kangaroo charade, could acquit many individual neocon stealth perpetrators, while nullifying the pesky US constitution.
Shills like FrankHT (of course a fake double account) are paid to pose as truthers and tackle this deception task.
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A brilliant example of truther logic. To cover up their Machiavellian scheme, the Gnomes of Cleveland will arrange the "accidental" death of tens of thousands of their flunkies. Then, of course, they'll have to arrange for the demise of the hitmen they use for the job (can't have them suddenly going into a fit of remorse, y'know). 20-30 thousand people, all slipping in the shower at the same time, followed shortly by a few thousand more nefarious agent types suddenly disappearing.
NOBODY would ever question that!
And ALL of just so the evil Gnomes could take control of the world they already control.
I think it might be easier ( and certainly quieter) to just whack out the tiny remnants of the truther movement.
BEVARE! BEVARE! PULL DA STRANGS! PULL DA STRANGS!
 
Ok I've watched it now. He has no evidence of a time discrepancy, simply going off what Colin said about AA11 being 20 south of Albany. He even says its speculation, or as he puts it, an 'educated guess'. Not educated at all, he's clutching at straws. He also goes into the Langley fighters, but forgets to mention that NEADS had no idea American 77 was inbound from the SW of Washington.
 
Chuck Guiteau said:
A brilliant example of truther logic. To cover up their Machiavellian scheme, the Gnomes of Cleveland will arrange the "accidental" death of tens of thousands of their flunkies. Then, of course, they'll have to arrange for the demise of the hitmen they use for the job (can't have them suddenly going into a fit of remorse, y'know). 20-30 thousand people, all slipping in the shower at the same time, followed shortly by a few thousand more nefarious agent types suddenly disappearing.
NOBODY would ever question that!
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:confused:

"When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."
 
Starving for Truth said:
:confused:

"When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."
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What, did I miss a few thousand shills and participants?

I know that asking you for a logical, well reasoned theory is most likely to be ignored inasmuch as, so far, every truther who's been asked to provide one has either dodged, scurried away, or simply pretended the question was never asked, but since you seem confused about the comment you highlighted, maybe you would care give us an estimate regarding how many conspirators it would take to pull off an "inside" job.

I do like your sigline, BTW.
When you eliminate the impossible (such as explosives, thermite, and death beams), the only thing left is the 19 Muslim fanatics theory.
Unless you want to be the first truther to provide a reasonable, logical, and realistic explanation that fits the scenario better than the 19MFT.
Be my guest!
 
I have always felt that the minutes didn't line up with everything that went on that morning, but by never more than a couple of minutes. But knowing the system the way it is, everything has to be within 15 seconds. That is between both facilities NEADS and Boston Center. I seriously doubt if it was off by more than 15 seconds. So why the two or three minutes, I would write it off as stress. It was a stressful morning, the most I had probably ever been put through. So I am sure my internal clock may not have been working that well. In addition some of my calls about location were very general. I was not at a scope, Joe Cooper was and I was relaying what he was telling me. In addition there were several calls that were not recorded. I made a 30 NM south of Albany, a 40 NM call south of Albany and a 50 south of Albany call, then a 40 NM north of JFK, a 16 NM north of JFK, an 8 NM north of JFK, and to Latitude/Longitude calls. Only several of these were recorded, I was using 4 different telephone numbers that morning at NEADS, and I think only two of them were recordable. In addition to NEADS calls, I called Otis at least six times.
 
I just have to say, Colin, you really are an invaluable source of information. I'm sure I and many others here really appreciate your contributions.
 
Isn't his theory basically the same as my theory? The Otis fighters were diverted BEFORE flight 175 hit the WTC and were put into the holding pattern to WAIT for 175 to hit. We've actually been debating this for a quite a while now. At least now I know someone else actually gets it.
 
FrankHT said:
Isn't his theory basically the same as my theory? The Otis fighters were diverted BEFORE flight 175 hit the WTC and were put into the holding pattern to WAIT for 175 to hit. We've actually been debating this for a quite a while now. At least now I know someone else actually gets it.
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No, that is a deliberate misstatement on your part. They were not diverted to wait for 175 to hit, they were diverted for the FAA to clear the way for them to get into the heart of the most crowded airspace in the country. In fact, 175 hit before they even entered the holding pattern. The fact remains, the fighters were too late to stop 175 and none of your bare assertions will change that.
 
thedopefishlives said:
No, that is a deliberate misstatement on your part. They were not diverted to wait for 175 to hit, they were diverted for the FAA to clear the way for them to get into the heart of the most crowded airspace in the country. In fact, 175 hit before they even entered the holding pattern. The fact remains, the fighters were too late to stop 175 and none of your bare assertions will change that.
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There's no doubt that the Otis fighters were originally directed towards the NYC area. That's on that's NORAD tapes channel 2. You claim the diversion was for the FAA to clear the air space. Can you tell me exactly when the FAA did this and gave the pilots clearance? Source it please. You wont be able to because the FAA didn't. The pilots took the initiative and did it on their own telling the FAA & NEADS they NEEDED (were going to go with or without clearance) to go to NY. Why? Because they saw (from within their holding pattern) 175 strike WTC 2.
You claim the Otis fighters could not have made it to NYC in time to stop Flight 175,but this is simply wrong. By the Military's own admission the flight time for an F15 from Otis to NYC is 10-12 minutes. They were scrambled at 8:52 and flew from TAKE OFF "Full blower all the way","Supersonic"[Quotes-Col. Duffy].8:52 to 9:03 (time WTC 2 was hit)=11 minutes! yet the Commission claims they still 100 miles out from NYC at 9:03 ! They barely moved ! How do explain that?
You can pick your poison,but there's a problem here. Either the pilots are lying or the scramble didn't happen at the time we were told or the holding pattern came before 9:03. Either way the official story is false.
 
There was no particular reason for them to make a bee line for the WTC so they were directed down to cover the New York area by flying over the ocean in less congested airspace.

What do you think their ground speed was when they were climbing to altitude? Is your 10-12 minutes to get to NY from wheels up or is it for a plane already in the air?

And again, even if they did know precisely where to go and ran full speed through controlled airspace they couldn't have done anything but watch it happen from slightly closer.
 
Wasn't the delay due to ATC clearing the airspace so the fighters wouldn't hit anyone?
 
FrankHT said:
Either the pilots are lying or the scramble didn't happen at the time we were told or the holding pattern came before 9:03. Either way the official story is false.
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They only thing False, here. Is your choice fallacy!
 
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