Vaccine/autism CT discussion

[pakeha]

No.

Quote:

Yes.
Why do you think otherwise?

That would mean they depend on vaccine income?

CM, I recommend you watch your own linked video. It answers your question.

 

[Clayton Moore]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xlJBf43REDM



http://experimentalvaccines.org/2012/11/02/gsk-bacteria-contaminated-vaccines-given-to-babies/

GSK Bacteria Contaminated Vaccines Given to Babies

GlaxoSmithKline is the manufacture of this poisonous injection being pushed by the eugenics driven control mechanism in charge of population reduction and elimination. Is this batch of contaminated vaccines an anomaly or part of a standard protocol that has been in place and working perfectly for decades? GSK has stated that ‘there is no need to worry’ about health risks associated with the vaccine although they admit most of the 115,000 dosages had already been administered to infants throughout Australia.

The pharmaceutical industry have been manufacturing death and disease under the guise of health and safety for centuries and each year they present us with new illnesses and diseases in the form of medications and inoculations. When will the effects of these human experimentation start to express themselves and how will the children of today deal with the illnesses of tomorrow? When these children finally become adults and the full effects of this bacterial weapon have reached a crescendo will the scientist be able to make the correlation to a contaminated injection given decades ago?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GlaxoSmithKline

GSK has a portfolio of products for major disease areas including asthma, cancer, virus control, infections, mental health, diabetes, and digestive conditions.[4] It also has a large consumer healthcare division which produces and markets oral healthcare and nutritional products and over-the-counter medicines including Sensodyne, Boost, Horlicks, and Gaviscon.[4][5] In July 2012, GSK pleaded guilty to criminal charges and agreed to a $3 billion settlement of the largest health-care fraud case in the U.S. and the largest payment by a drug company in the US.[6][7] The settlement is related to the company's illegal promotion of best-selling anti-depressants and its failure to report safety data about a top diabetes drug.[8]

GSK has a primary listing on the London Stock Exchange and is a constituent of the FTSE 100 Index. As of 6 July 2012, it had a market capitalisation of £74.8 billion, the fifth-largest of any company listed on the London Stock Exchange.[9] It has a secondary listing on the New York Stock Exchange.

 

[pakeha]

Why are you evading the vaxx>autism question, CM?

 

[000063]

He's also evading post 2601, since he often spams some quote from somewhere, without explanations of what his point is, when asked sticky questions. I suspect he either literally cannot imagine what the world would look like if the official story was true, or he realizes there's no difference and refuses to admit it.

But I like how he cites a Wikipedia article that says GSK got publicly sued and lost after he claimed that the media is in bed with Big Pharma. In fact, the source for the highlighted part is the New York Times, one of the world's most popular newspapers.

Good old Moore self-debunking.

 

[dafydd]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xlJBf43REDM



http://experimentalvaccines.org/2012/11/02/gsk-bacteria-contaminated-vaccines-given-to-babies/

Give the woo sites a rest, please. Try telling us something in your own words.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Originally Posted by Clayton Moore View Post

Yeah sure.

It's not a trick question. They are side effects when they happen.

Did you ask the doctor what causes the side effects?

This is the key to the problem(s) with vaccines. A statement about possible side effects is a baby step.

If a person becomes permanently paralyzed as the result of a vaccination what happens between the vaccination and the side effect?

Consider permanent paralysis as an 100% side effect/reaction to a vaccine. What doesn't happen when the side effect/reaction is only a week of numbness, a 10% one?

If a seizure causes a numbness or permanent paralysis what causes the seizure? What causes one seizure to be more debilitating than another?

Adults have mini-strokes and "minor" heart attacks without even noticing them. How many "minor/slight/serious" vaccine reactions do babies, toddlers and children have that go completely unnoticed?

Furthermore and most importantly how does a family contend with vaccine damage when company the size of GSK is running interference?

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/court-rules-against-parents-drug-vaccine-case

The vaccine court has paid out more than $1.9 billion to more than 2,500 people who claimed a connection between a vaccine and serious health problems.

Remember GSK's 3 billion fine?

 

[dafydd]

If a person becomes permanently paralyzed as the result of a vaccination what happens between the vaccination and the side effect?

If? Authenticated case studies please, not YooToob vids or crackpot sites.

 

[000063]

That's right, Moore, keep spamming. We can all see you're dodging. You said something that was false, and are now trying to distract everyone.

 

[Clayton Moore]

http://www.disinfo.com/2011/03/over-2000-vaccinated-babies-dead-the-cost-of-doing-business/

Earlier this month (March 2011), Japanese authorities ordered doctors to stop using pneumococcal and Hib vaccines because four children died after receiving the shots. However, the real news was never reported: more than 2,000 babies died in the United States after receiving vaccines for these very same diseases, yet authorities refuse to warn parents and halt production. A safety review is vital to determine whether a recall of the dangerous shots may be necessary to protect additional American babies from disability and death.

 

[dafydd]

http://www.disinfo.com/2011/03/over-2000-vaccinated-babies-dead-the-cost-of-doing-business/

Ooh, a crackpot website. It must be true.

 

[dafydd]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-17509/Why-Japan-banned-MMR-vaccine.html


Dr Hiroki Nakatani, director of the Infectious Disease Division at Japan's Ministry of Health and Welfare said that giving individual vaccines cost twice as much as MMR 'but we believe it is worth it'.

In some areas parents have to pay, while in others health authorities foot the bill.

However, he admitted the MMR scare has left its mark. With vaccination rates low, there have been measles outbreaks which have claimed 94 lives in the last five years.

 

[Clayton Moore]

I'm sure there's a medical professional who'll explain differential diagnosis to you if you ask them nicely.

As for knowing if the baby's fever is becoming dangerous, surely you'd simply monitor the baby's temperature no?

I agree. Yet seizures still happen and doctors say not all seizures are serious.

 

[Clayton Moore]

I'm surprised, Clayton, that you fell for putting a dollar value on the issue. As soon as you price something and point out there are costs involved, then money becomes a not uncritical variable.

In the UK, we have an agency known as NICE, which approves drugs for use by the National Health Service. An absolutely standard practice is to measure the effectiveness of the drug, e.g. a cancer drug, against its cost. Drugs that don't produce significant results but which cost a lot are not approved for prescription on the NHS. That's a simple cost-benefit analysis.

There are other cost-benefit analyses which work the other way. If a drug is proven to work, but produces side-effects, then the rate of side effects has to become considerable before the negatives outweigh the positives.

Gardasil, for example, has a reported rate of 1 death per 1 million doses, many of which do not appear to be connected to the drug; the rate of some critical side-effects is 0.2 per 100,000. That is about as good as it gets.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E05E2DF1F31F93AA2575BC0A96F9C8B63

''There are not a huge number of side effects here, that's fairly certain,'' said the editorial writer, Dr. Charlotte Haug, an infectious disease expert from Norway, about the vaccine. ''But you are giving this to perfectly healthy young girls, so even a rare thing may be too much of a risk.

''I wouldn't accept much risk of side effects at all in an 11-year-old girl, because if she gets screened when she's older, she'll never get cervical cancer,'' Dr. Haug said in an interview. ''You don't have to die from cervical cancer if you have access to health care.''

 

[jdc324]

http://www.disinfo.com/2011/03/over-2000-vaccinated-babies-dead-the-cost-of-doing-business/

Did they ever make a connection between the vaccines and the deaths in Japan? This was a report of a safety review: http://www.pmda.go.jp/english/service/pdf/20110615-2_reference.pdf

Having reviewed those seven cases based on the post-vaccination course and findings currently available, it is considered that there is no clear or direct causality with the vaccinations in the 7 fatal cases based on the information at this moment.

The claim that 2,000 vaccinated babies died following vaccination is based on VAERS reports, isn't it?

Here’s what the VAERS website says about their data:

When evaluating data from VAERS, it is important to note that for any reported event, no cause-and-effect relationship has been established. Reports of all possible associations between vaccines and adverse events (possible side effects) are filed in VAERS. Therefore, VAERS collects data on any adverse event following vaccination, be it coincidental or truly caused by a vaccine. The report of an adverse event to VAERS is not documentation that a vaccine caused the event. [...] A report to VAERS generally does not prove that the identified vaccine(s) caused the adverse event described. It only confirms that the reported event occurred sometime after vaccine was given. No proof that the event was caused by the vaccine is required in order for VAERS to accept the report. VAERS accepts all reports without judging whether the event was caused by the vaccine.

Did they ever make a connection between the vaccines and the deaths reported to VAERS?

 

[jdc324]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-17509/Why-Japan-banned-MMR-vaccine.html


Dr Hiroki Nakatani, director of the Infectious Disease Division at Japan's Ministry of Health and Welfare said that giving individual vaccines cost twice as much as MMR 'but we believe it is worth it'.

In some areas parents have to pay, while in others health authorities foot the bill.

However, he admitted the MMR scare has left its mark. With vaccination rates low, there have been measles outbreaks which have claimed 94 lives in the last five years.

See also: http://www.immunizationinfo.org/vaccines/mumps

Japan, which does not immunize with mumps vaccine has on-going outbreaks of mumps with permanent deafness being reported at a rate of 1/1000.

They now have over 100,000 cases of mumps per year: http://apps.who.int/immunization_monitoring/en/globalsummary/countryprofileresult.cfm

 

[zooterkin]

I agree. Yet seizures still happen and doctors say not all seizures are serious.

And?

 

[Clayton Moore]

Did they ever make a connection between the vaccines and the deaths in Japan? This was a report of a safety review: http://www.pmda.go.jp/english/service/pdf/20110615-2_reference.pdf
The claim that 2,000 vaccinated babies died following vaccination is based on VAERS reports, isn't it?

Here’s what the VAERS website says about their data: Did they ever make a connection between the vaccines and the deaths reported to VAERS?

A report to VAERS generally does not prove that the identified vaccine(s) caused the adverse event described. It only confirms that the reported event occurred sometime after vaccine was given.


You can't fool the VAERS zombies.

 

[jdc324]

A report to VAERS generally does not prove that the identified vaccine(s) caused the adverse event described. It only confirms that the reported event occurred sometime after vaccine was given.


You can't fool the VAERS zombies.

And what happens when VAERS reports are analysed? Has this been done for Hib and Pneumococcal vaccines?

It was done for HPV. Do you know what was found?

Well, the CDC has a summary of a CDC-FDA report analyzing adverse events following human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccine administration from June 2006 through December 2008. Thirty two deaths had been reported by that point.

The 32 death reports were reviewed and there was no common pattern to the deaths that would suggest they were caused by the vaccine. In cases where there was an autopsy, death certificate, or medical records, the cause of death could be explained by factors other than the vaccine. Some causes of death determined to date include diabetes, viral illness, illicit drug use, and heart failure.

Those deaths reported to VAERS had "occurred sometime after vaccine was given", but were not caused by the vaccine.

 

[Aulus Agerius]

A report to VAERS generally does not prove that the identified vaccine(s) caused the adverse event described. It only confirms that the reported event occurred sometime after vaccine was given.


You can't fool the VAERS zombies.

Cos, you know, when event B happens after event A, that means A must have caused B.

It rained yesterday. Today, Clayton said something dumb. Coincidence???!?!?

 

[000063]

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E05E2DF1F31F93AA2575BC0A96F9C8B63

Please respond in your own words. Also, from the same article;

The study on adverse events analyzed 12,424 reports of adverse events that occurred after immunization with the HPV vaccine from June 1, 2006, to Dec. 31, 2008, when more than 23 million doses of vaccine were distributed, enough to vaccinate more than seven million girls with all three required doses.

That was calculated as a rate of 53.9 adverse event reports to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System for every 100,000 doses of vaccine distributed. Syncope, or fainting, occurred most frequently, with a rate of 8.2 reports per 100,000 vaccine doses, followed by 7.5 per 100,000 for local site reactions and 6.8 per 100,000 for dizziness.

Report rates were then compared with those of other vaccines given in similar populations of girls the same age, Dr. Slade explained.

Of the total number of reports, 6.2 percent, or 772 reports, were considered serious events, including 32 reports of death. Only 20 of the deaths could be verified; the others included four that were provided by the manufacturer without further information, and eight secondhand reports that could not be verified.
...
Dr. Slade said the disparate causes of death made it difficult to determine an underlying cause, or to determine if the vaccine played a causal role.

''We didn't see any patterns in the causes of death, any pattern in the time between vaccination and death, or the age of the people who died -- there just didn't seem to be any real pattern that would cause us to have heightened concern,'' Dr. Slade said, adding that the number of deaths was ''actually very similar to what we see after other vaccines in similar age groups.'' She said the A.L.S. cases were being investigated further.​

So, you have a negative effect rate of <0.1%, with no way to determine whether it was actually the vaccine.

A report to VAERS generally does not prove that the identified vaccine(s) caused the adverse event described. It only confirms that the reported event occurred sometime after vaccine was given.


You can't fool the VAERS zombies.

Actually, it certainly doesn't prove that the vaccine had anything to do with it, as the quoted section specifically stated, right before the bit you decided to quote.