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Wildy said:
I don't think that was an A+ thing. But one of the people who did it is a member of the A+ forums.


If you would like some more Atheism Plus drama I present to you:

A+, reclaiming our image?

In which we learn things like posting things you think is important is an example of "privilege" and trying to talk about what could be done to improve their image is also "privilege" because it usually means the "poor oppressed people have to do all the work" and that the OP should have done something (side note, trying to do things is not welcomed). Also, saying that you shouldn't yell at new people for trying to be helpful is "questionable content".
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Im more convinced than ever that A+ is a well orchestrated practical joke.
 
[PZ Quote:]
Absolute Law

I AM THE BOSS, and don’t you forget it. I have sole and absolute power here; I can ban you, I can destroy your comments, I can shut down whole threads. I am a being of caprice; I don’t have to justify anything I do. So when I tell you to stop doing something, stop. Don’t argue with me. You don’t like that I banned your friend? Tough. Don’t complain to me. I will do as I will to make this place the kind of party I want to attend, and that’s all that matters.

This law supercedes all other rules.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngu.../the-new-rules
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Sorry, I find that creepy.
 
Krikkiter said:
ETA: Well done westprog on your foray into the A+ forums. It was enjoyable and enlightening but the end result was not even slightly surprising.
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Thank you. I repeat that I was not endeavouring to provoke a responce by being deliberately provocative. I tried at all times to conform to their reasonable rules. What I got in trouble for, and was eventually banned for, was my reaction when one of the moderators launched a vicious attack on a rape victim. That same moderator eventually banned me. There's a degree of servility required on that forum that I find impossible to maintain.
 
I remember reading PZ's blog years ago. Was he always like this, or is the mallcop phenomena a new development brought on by a combination of petty power and suddenly hostile subjects?
 
Humes fork said:
I'm mostly interested how Myers' reputation will survive this. He has been involved with Dawkins (they both went to see Expelled! together) and I got the impression that they are friends. That is not at all strange, as they are both biologists, opponents of creationism, as well as outspoken atheists and antitheists. How will it evolve, given how much vitriol many plussers have against Dawkins?

McCreight has left the ship, Watson has kept her distance to their movement, Dillahunty was excommunicated. Apart from them, what prominent (by Internet measures at least) people were even associated with this club?
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Walter Ego said:
Myers and Dawkins will both be at the Texas Freethought Convention in Austin which starts today. I wonder if they will avoid each other?

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PZ on Dawkins

None of the 'my friend Richard' any longer and a slight distancing.

In the same series of posts PZ comments on a debate of Dillahunty vs Kruszelnicki on abortion. Here he offers no criticism at all.
 
I'm just glad atheists have cults (PZ's blog, A+ forums) they can join too. I can't really respect them as free thinkers any more, but I assume they prefer the servility required there to the civility required here.

To each his own.
 
zeggman said:
I'm just glad atheists have cults (PZ's blog, A+ forums) they can join too. I can't really respect them as free thinkers any more, but I assume they prefer the servility required there to the civility required here.

To each his own.
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Peoples is peoples.
 
Beelzebuddy said:
I remember reading PZ's blog years ago. Was he always like this, or is the mallcop phenomena a new development brought on by a combination of petty power and suddenly hostile subjects?
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He was always like this. The difference is that when he was on Science Blogs the targets of his wrath were theists, creationists, the religious right and the GOP. In the wake of Elevatorgate, he is turning his rage on his fellow atheists. Same hostility, different target.
 
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I was watching the just-posted "Texas Freethought Convention, Debate between Matt Dillahunty and Kritine Kruszelnicki" (below) and realized:

There's a phrase for what A+ is doing. Mission creepWP. But, this usually happens after the original mission succeeds.

Mission creep is the expansion of a project or mission beyond its original goals, often after initial successes. Mission creep is usually considered undesirable due to the dangerous path of each success breeding more ambitious attempts, only stopping when a final, often catastrophic, failure occurs.
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Acleron said:
He should have known about the internet, nothing gets deleted.
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This comment is funny. I'm glad Thunderf00t saved them before PZ flushed them down the memory hole. :D

OpalZero 1 week ago

All you ***************** that don’t agree with PZ Myers will be BANNED from this site! YOU don’t seem to get it, your job is to say what he tells you to say, when he tells you to say it, and with the correct tone! PZ defines what the Atheist movement is because that’s his right! He is smarter and more educated than you are, so just sit down shut the hell up and if he wants to you have an opinion he will give you one! If PZ wasn’t right, everyone would just ignore him!
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I wonder how they are going to get new fresh ideas. They seem not to be so welcome there:

You haven't been here all that long, and already your posting a bunch of crap-flapping about 'reclaiming' A+? From who? Who the **** are you to come in and decide that A+ needs to be reclaimed by anyone?
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I guess more and more people are going to be ostraziced, until only Myers remains.
 
Wildy said:
I don't think that was an A+ thing. But one of the people who did it is a member of the A+ forums.


If you would like some more Atheism Plus drama I present to you:

A+, reclaiming our image?

In which we learn things like posting things you think is important is an example of "privilege" and trying to talk about what could be done to improve their image is also "privilege" because it usually means the "poor oppressed people have to do all the work" and that the OP should have done something (side note, trying to do things is not welcomed). Also, saying that you shouldn't yell at new people for trying to be helpful is "questionable content".
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whats up with laughing coyote on those forums. he/she seems to turn up everywhere, abusing other members! it seems to me like he/she must be a troll but its so hard to tell over there.

is he/she legit?

lxxx
 
s_pepys said:
whats up with laughing coyote on those forums. he/she seems to turn up everywhere, abusing other members! it seems to me like he/she must be a troll but its so hard to tell over there.

is he/she legit?

lxxx
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It would be so easy to fake it on A+. Ignore what people say, tell them they should be listening, back off, safe space, Schrodinger's rapist, this is not all about you, privilege, somebody groped me and I didn't like it but I'm a strong person, and a lot of bad language. Someone could end up running the place in no time. A good script could probably do it.
 
true. it would get boring pretty fast though. i think.

ive read a few threads on a+ and im mostly a lurker on forums, mostly... from that point of view it is interesting to see it creating itself, unfolding, eating itself in all its horror. scary too!

the conversation there is awful!

;)
 
s_pepys said:
true. it would get boring pretty fast though. i think.
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I think it would be so easy as to be pointless. It would just be another by the numbers identical parrot.

I'd also have serious ethical issues with doing it, for the same reason that I've issues with A+. There are a lot of vulnerable people reading the group, and they get treated like crap. As a group, they really don't care about the damage they do.

ive read a few threads on a+ and im mostly a lurker on forums, mostly... from that point of view it is interesting to see it creating itself, unfolding, eating itself in all its horror. scary too!

the conversation there is awful!

;)
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It's barely conversation at all. It's not that they argue against ideas they disagree with - they ignore them, and look for ways to silence the person making the argument.
 
Wildy said:
I don't think that was an A+ thing. But one of the people who did it is a member of the A+ forums.


If you would like some more Atheism Plus drama I present to you:

A+, reclaiming our image?

In which we learn things like posting things you think is important is an example of "privilege" and trying to talk about what could be done to improve their image is also "privilege" because it usually means the "poor oppressed people have to do all the work" and that the OP should have done something (side note, trying to do things is not welcomed). Also, saying that you shouldn't yell at new people for trying to be helpful is "questionable content".
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I liked this comment:

"Mod Edit: Questionable content, potentially containing dismissiveness."

Potential dismissiveness. First World problems.
 
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