The crucifixion of Jesus Christ

[Belz...]

Jesus Christ was crucified and died around Passover some 2000 years ago.

Evidence ?

 

[Belz...]

20121002.2115

You are aware that the forum software already records and displays the date and time of every post made, right ?

 

[pakeha]

Bolded for bolshoi...

Speaking of the Bolshoi, here's their programming for this month.

PC, why do you think cultures which use a number of different calendars would switch to yours?
For example, why would the Islamic world want to use this calendar?

 

[Rincewind]

20121002.1855

@devnull, #3

The Holy Bible has two books – the Old Testament (OT) wherein God the Father spoke and the New Testament (NT) wherein God the Son Jesus Christ spoke. During the lifetime of Jesus, the NT mentions Caesar Augustus (Luke 2:1), Tiberius Caesar, Herod the Great, Herod Antipas, Herod Archelaus. They are historical figures mentioned in other sources. How could that be?

OMG... !

PeaceCrusader mentions Caesar Augustus, Tiberius Caesar, Herod the Great, Herod Antipas, Herod Archelaus in this thread.

How could that be?

Oh - and now so have I!

How could that be?

Therefore - doesn't that just prove that this is a totally empty argument?

Of course it does...

 

[godless dave]

So do you have independent corroborating evidence - evidence from sources other than the Bible - that supports these dates?

Why do the dates matter anyway?

 

[gabeygoat]

FYI, Jesus Christ died on August 17, 1 BC. So, that preacher you are referring to must not be Jesus Christ.

So Jesus was crucified twenty seven years before Pilate was appointed as Prefect of Judaea.

Foster Zygote raises a very important point here, PC. How could Pontius Pilate have executed Jesus 27 before he was Prefect of Judea?

 

[I Ratant]

Schliemann discovered Troy, so the Iliad is true. So the Olympian gods exist! Anyone want to organise an expedition to find Baker Street?

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It's right here!
Prolly just have to follow the signs.

 

[I Ratant]

There are people who believe they are various fictional characters. This means what? There are people who believe fictional characters are real. This means what?

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One of the editors of a magazine I subscribed said, in a crisis situation, he'd think of what the Duke would do in that situation... Duke being John Wayne.
Who in real life tended to snort a fifth of booze and a carton of cigarettes when able.
And was hardly the fictional character he developed as an actor.

 

[gabeygoat]

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One of the editors of a magazine I subscribed said, in a crisis situation, he'd think of what the Duke would do in that situation... Duke being John Wayne.
Who in real life tended to snort a fifth of booze and a carton of cigarettes when able.
And was hardly the fictional character he developed as an actor.

When I find myself in a crisis situation, I ask myself, "What would Scooby do?" and then I run!

 

[AdMan]

Your 'proof' of the dates of the birth and death of Jesus, even if he existed, are based on the false contention that the Jewish calendar prior to the 4th century was purely lunar. You fail to account for the intercalary month which was inserted as necessary so that Passover remained in spring. No amount of appealing to fig trees or linen cloths is going to change that you are quite simply wrong.

Aristeo, this has been pointed out to you numerous times. Why do you refuse to address it?

 

[Naddig74]

2 4 6 8 Who Do we Appreciate?

Schliemann discovered Troy, so the Iliad is true. So the Olympian gods exist! Anyone want to organise an expedition to find Baker Street?

I found it! I went in to 221b! It was really _really_ real! It was a house and everything!

There was a folder of letters written by deluded folk from around the world to Sherlock Holmes, begging them to help them solve a case (up to and including murder!) that their local police had failed to close. It was sad, thinking about these individuals who not only thought Holmes was real, but also that he was still alive now. There's a parallel here somewhere.

You're weird!

Could be worse.

 

[I Ratant]

2 4 6 8 Who Do we Appreciate?



I found it! I went in to 221b! It was really _really_ real! It was a house and everything!

There was a folder of letters written by deluded folk from around the world to Sherlock Holmes, begging them to help them solve a case (up to and including murder!) that their local police had failed to close. It was sad, thinking about these individuals who not only thought Holmes was real, but also that he was still alive now. There's a parallel here somewhere.



Could be worse.

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Here's another.. real person... real dead, still gets mail..
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-harnisch-stamp-collectibles-20121002,0,4337002.column

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Aristeo, this has been pointed out to you numerous times. Why do you refuse to address it?

20121003.0835

@AdMan, #50

I said that during the time of Jesus, the Jews were using a purely lunar calendar AND a lunisolar calendar. The purely lunar calendar has 354/355 days in a year like the present Muslim calendar. The lunisolar calendar follows the purely lunar calendar plus inserts a month called Adar II every 3rd, 6th, 8th, 11th, 14th, 17th and 19th year in a 19-year Metonic Cycle to make the calendar align with the season. This lunisolar calendar had 353/354/355/383/384/385 days in a year. This calendar is similar to the present Jewish calendar.

The festivals in the purely lunar calendar, at least, were Passover and Day of the Dedication. The festival in the lunisolar calendar was, at least, the Festival of Ingathering or Tabernacle or Shelter (“Sukkoth”).

From the departure from Egypt led by Moses, the Israelites were using the purely lunar calendar. The Israelites adopted the Babylonian lunisolar calendar when they were exiled in Babylon when Jerusalem fell to the Babylonians.

So during the time of Jesus, there were two kinds of calendars that were being used – a purely lunar calendar and a lunisolar calendar. It was only in 358/359 AD that the Jews reformed their calendars and just came out with one calendar that we know today.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Foster Zygote raises a very important point here, PC. How could Pontius Pilate have executed Jesus 27 before he was Prefect of Judea?

20121003.0900

@gabeygoat, #46

In the presently-used Gregorian calendar, it is assumed that Jesus was born in 1 BC. Using this calendar, the point in time when Pontius Pilate was Prefect of Judea was in 1 BC.

We correct this by putting the correct time line. We use the Aristean calendar wherein 32 BCJ (Before Crucifixion of Jesus), is the time when Jesus was born, and 0 year, equivalent to the present 1 BC, is when Jesus was crucified and died. After year 0 are the ADJ (After Death of Jesus) years. So today will also be numerically the same as in the Gregorian calendar. It will be 2012 ADJ. The point of reckoning in the Aristean calendar will be the crucifixion of Jesus.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

So do you have independent corroborating evidence - evidence from sources other than the Bible - that supports these dates?

Why do the dates matter anyway?

20121003.0920

@godless dave, #45

Other that the Holy Bible, the sources that I used are http://www.stellafane.com for the moon phase calculations, the calendar conversions of Alan D Corre and Timothy James Forsythe, Jewish calendar, and Jewish traditions. I also used the accounts of the first century historian, Flavius Josephus.

The dates matter to correct the long-held tradition of Christians, be they Roman Catholics, Protestants, or Orthodox. We will unify them into the same thing – the crucifixion and death of Jesus occurred on August 17, 1 BC, and His birth on May 23, 33 BC. The equivalent of these dates are August 17, 0 year and May 23, 32 BCJ.

 

[Robrob]

The Holy Bible has two books – the Old Testament (OT) wherein God the Father spoke and the New Testament (NT) wherein God the Son Jesus Christ spoke. During the lifetime of Jesus, the NT mentions Caesar Augustus (Luke 2:1), Tiberius Caesar, Herod the Great, Herod Antipas, Herod Archelaus. They are historical figures mentioned in other sources. How could that be?

Both the Iliad and the Odyssey reference real historical people and places mentioned in other sources. Does this validate the existence of the Greek Pantheon?

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Evidence ?

20121003.0955

@Belz..., #41

The evidences that I could give are in http://aristean.org/crucifyidx.htm . The link contains the results of my study from 1999 to 2003. Please scrutinize it and present in this forum anything that you find that is amiss and we will discuss it.

I also have found some other things, as recently as a few weeks ago, that concur to the revelation of Ama that Jesus was crucified and died on August 17, 1 BC. They are in my WordPress website or in http://aristean.org/wpxxx.htm where xxx is from 001 to 117.

 

[Robrob]

When are you going to get around to stoning Ama as you are commanded to by God?

 

[Akuma Tennou]

20121002.2115

@Mutivac, #4

You think that Ka Apaz is just faking Ama. FYI, they are two separate distinct entities. Ama is a spirit who we cannot see or touch. He appropriates the body of Ka Apaz to communicate to people.

True, the prophesied WW3 did not start before or during the 2012 Olympic Games in London. So the prophecy failed. But I think it has been moved. I don’t know when it will happen. I believe, it will be “in His time”, in God’s time. It is like the Aristean calendar.

Ama must have revealed the crucifixion date of August 17 earlier than 1983. No one checked it until 1999 when I embarked on checking the date. I prepared the results of the study in http://aristean.org/crucifyidx.htm in 2003. Did you know that even after 2003, I still find proofs, as recently as a few weeks ago?

ho ho PC, long time no see. glad to see that the WW3 fiasco led you to downgrade ama from "Teh Holy Spook" to "a spirit". i hope your next step will be "no spirit at all". but it's still a bit sad that you got back to your word as you haven't admitted ama was a false prophet :/

 

[Jack by the hedge]

I said that during the time of Jesus, the Jews were using a purely lunar calendar AND a lunisolar calendar.

We know you said that. We're waiting for you to show some kind of evidence to back it up.

I guess we're in for a long wait. Right?