Bigfoot DNA

[Robrob]

I think it could very likely happen, but it won't necessarily mean the science community is going to obtain it. If the government collects them and keeps it a secret then I'm not surprised it's been so difficult to obtain hard evidence.

Now it's a government conspiracy?

 

[Drewbot]

Now it's a government conspiracy?

Oh yes. Government conspiracies regarding Bigfoot are fun.

There was the idea that people who were skeptical of Bigfoot were NSA agents, tasked with suppressing Bigfoot's existence.

There is the conspiracy where the government suppresses Bigfoot info, because the citizens would not be able to cope with another higher primate entering the world.

But not only are there Govt conpiracies, but there are science conspiracies. Many proponents will tell you that if science wasn't anti Bigfoot, then Bigfoot would have already been discovered. Science threatens other scientists who happen to think Bigfoot is real, Journals suppress papers about Bigfoot, etc...

 

[Correa Neto]

Well, should I concede I can not know if there's no teapot orbiting between Mars and Jupiter? Sometimes (maybe quite often) philosophical positions have serious problems when they are brought to the real world.

One can adopt, for some cases, an undecided position. This happens when evidence can be interpreted as favoring two or more interpretations, when there's evidence which can be used to support more than one interpretation, when there's not enough data, etc. An example would be the existence of life (microbial) on Mars, nowadays or in the past. I am undecided, since there are pro and con pieces of evidence while some other bits of data have multiple interpretations.

Now, in many other cases, if you adopt a real life practical, utilitarian approach, you can indeed just say something is impossible, never happened, is not real because there is no evidence supporting it and/or by contraints imposed by nature. The universal flood never happened, humans can't fly just by flapping hands, there's no Loch Ness monster, Earth is not 6Ky old, Atlantis never existed, there's no massive black hole orbiting Earth, the Earth is not hollow, aliens are not buzzing around in WV beetle-sized glowing spacecraft at 25K Km/h. Evidence of the reliable type for these claims will never show up. If these claims were real, certain types of (reliable) bits of evidence would be available, but they are not. Being undecided, in these cases, is not a position an unbiased person moderately skilled in critical thinking and with a minimal level of knowledge on these subjects would adopt.

A bigfoot-like creature is not an impossible outcome of evolutionary processes. There are reliable pieces of evidence for this. However, when it comes down to bigfoots existing right now, being "undecided" is not an option for you if you adopt a real life practical, utilitarian approach, if you are an unbiased person moderately skilled in critical thinking and if you have a minimal level of knowledge on this subject. "Undecided", in this case, is most likely a position generated by ignorance on the subject and/ot poor use of critical thinking. "Undecided" can also be nothing but belief under disguise. All it takes to realize this fact are two questions:

1. If there were bigfoots around, what types of reliable evidence would be available?
2. So, do we actually have these expected reliable bits of evidence?

 

[OntarioSquatch]

1. If there were bigfoots around, what types of reliable evidence would be available?

I think that would depend a lot on the Bigfoot themselves and our technology. For example, if they have human-like intelligence and choose to completely hide themselves from us then that would make things pretty difficult. I can't think of any reliable evidence other than DNA samples. What else could there be that would be considered reliable evidence over here? The PGF?

2. So, do we actually have these expected reliable bits of evidence?

Yup. I think all that's needed now to get things going is proof that can totally convince the skeptics. I'm thinking either published DNA or an actual body.

 

[Jodie]

There is the ravens paradox, OS, and then there is common sense.

 

[Resume]

I think that would depend a lot on the Bigfoot themselves and our technology. For example, if they have human-like intelligence and choose to completely hide themselves from us then that would make things pretty difficult. I can't think of any reliable evidence other than DNA samples. What else could there be that would be considered reliable evidence over here? The PGF?




Yup. I think all that's needed now to get things going is proof that can totally convince the skeptics. I'm thinking either published DNA or an actual body.

This post is a perfect example of Randi's unsinkable rubber duck.

 

[OntarioSquatch]

Thank you

 

[LTC8K6]

Thank you

Let's pretend we don't have the use of DNA at all. Let's pretend we are back in time to before DNA analysis was possible.

We will also eliminate film, as that's too obvious an answer.

We will also discount tracks, as we have no sample for comparison and we know that tracks can be faked and will fool even scientists.

Let's assume there is a healthy bigfoot population in Northern California.

How would we prove there were bigfoot roaming Northern California?

It's still pretty easy, imo.

 

[River]

Thank you

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An "unsinkable rubber duck" is James Randi's phrase to describe those who are determined to believe in woo no matter how much evidence to the contrary they are presented with.

 

[OntarioSquatch]

Then I guess the rubber duck thing doesn't apply here. There are people who know there are populations of them based on the evidence they've seen, read and heard. Just like how people know other animals exist based on the evidence they've seen, read and heard. Whether a species is accepted by the majority of those in the science community or not is a different story. It won't tell us who has the unsinkable rubber duck.

Let's pretend we don't have the use of DNA at all. Let's pretend we are back in time to before DNA analysis was possible.

We will also eliminate film, as that's too obvious an answer.

We will also discount tracks, as we have no sample for comparison and we know that tracks can be faked and will fool even scientists.

Let's assume there is a healthy bigfoot population in Northern California.

How would we prove there were bigfoot roaming Northern California?

It's still pretty easy, imo.

Shoot one Justin Smeja style?

 

[GeeMack]

Then I guess the rubber duck thing doesn't apply here. There are people who know there are populations of them based on the evidence they've seen, read and heard.

There is no objective evidence to support the claim that Bigfoot exists.

Just like how people know other animals exist based on the evidence they've seen, read and heard.

The difference is objective evidence. It seems you're still having trouble with that word, even after the several times people have offered to explain its meaning to you. Whenever you're ready for a lesson in critical thinking, just let us know.

Whether a species is accepted by the majority of those in the science community or not is a different story. It won't tell us who has the unsinkable rubber duck.

Those who display unwavering faith in the existence of a creature for which there is no objective evidence are Randi's "unsinkable rubber ducks". The concept is simple. Those who fit the description seem to make themselves obvious.

Shoot one Justin Smeja style?

Nobody has ever shot a Bigfoot, the tales told by liars, cheats, and Bigfoot fantasists notwithstanding.

Do note that the world is still waiting on that alleged DNA evidence.

 

[LTC8K6]

There are people who know there are populations of them based on the evidence they've seen, read and heard.



Shoot one Justin Smeja style?

Delusional people are almost never good examples.

Justin Smeja did not shoot any.

Shooting one is certainly one way, but personally, I would not want to resort to that. It should not be necessary, anyway. With a viable population, sign and evidence would be abundant.

 

[Resume]

There are people who know there are populations of them based on the evidence they've seen, read and heard.

If you know it you can show it.

These people need to get showin'. Put up or shut up for crissakes!

 

[ScannerHead]

Let's pretend we don't have the use of DNA at all. Let's pretend we are back in time to before DNA analysis was possible.

We will also eliminate film, as that's too obvious an answer.

We will also discount tracks, as we have no sample for comparison and we know that tracks can be faked and will fool even scientists.

Let's assume there is a healthy bigfoot population in Northern California.

How would we prove there were bigfoot roaming Northern California?

It's still pretty easy, imo.

I guess youd have to go out and see one. But once you did, how would you ever go back to not believing and how would you deal with it?

 

[Resume]

I guess youd have to go out and see one. But once you did, how would you ever go back to not believing and how would you deal with it?

I saw a ghost once; I was certain of it. Then, I learned about cognitive biases/errors, hypnagogia, hypnopompia, and figured it out.

I was twelve.

 

[xtifr]

There are people who know there are populations of them based on the evidence they've seen, read and heard.

And a century ago, there were just as many people who knew there were actual living fairies in England, based on evidence every bit as strong as the evidence for Bigfoot.

Today, there are more people who believe that aliens came here millions of years ago in a DC8^WP. Not in spaceship that just happened to look like a DC8--an actual DC8. Millions of years ago. And their evidence is every bit as good as the evidence for Bigfoot. Some might say better--they have the word of an actual prophet!

People are gullible. People want to believe in the fantastic. See a shadowy, blurry something in the woods? How much more exciting to believe it was bigfoot than to believe it was a bear, or a tramp, a moose, or a shadow of a tree swaying in the wind. Claim it was a bigfoot, embellish your story, convince yourself, and win the adulation of your peers. Who wouldn't want that?

Sorry, you have to do better than just saying that lots of people think they've seen something they think is BF (or that they believe the claims made by others, which isn't even vaguely evidence).

Though I must admit that I'm tickled by the thought of hordes of government employees scouring the woods every day, collecting all the BF skeletons and scat, and studiously ignoring the footprints. You'd think that many men in black suits in the woods would attract a little bit of attention. But no, I suppose they probably use the stealth technology they got from the aliens they're also hiding. Those little flashy, mind-wipey things they demonstrated in that Will Smith documentary probably come in handy too.

 

[calwaterbear]

Now it's a government conspiracy?

Yup,
My local crew of BFers have told me that there is a secret vault/ room hidden in the local national forest office. in that room are photographs, videos of female BF teaching their young to fish, all sorts of big foot stuff. They came to this knowledge in an honorable way, they insist one of them was out camping with the Big wig national forest guy, who got drunk and spilled the beans, and even showed them the secret room!

so how could you deny that cold hard evidence!

i asked em to show me exactly what national forest office they saw this in, and so far, no reply! i also asked for the name or official title of the National Forest guy, no reply there either! I also asked em why the forest would keep it secret, never got an answer thereeither.

but now they insist that the biologists for the local power company (who owns large swaths of forest) are afraid to go into their forest because they have had to recover several bodies that had been torn limb from limb by bigfoot, and they fear they are next!

I'm just reporting the facts that have been given me, as accurately as possible!
Just like Fox news, : I report, you deside!

 

[Resume]

Yup,
My local crew of BFers have told me that there is a secret vault/ room hidden in the local national forest office. in that room are photographs, videos of female BF teaching their young to fish, all sorts of big foot stuff. They came to this knowledge in an honorable way, they insist one of them was out camping with the Big wig national forest guy, who got drunk and spilled the beans, and even showed them the secret room!

so how could you deny that cold hard evidence!

i asked em to show me exactly what national forest office they saw this in, and so far, no reply! i also asked for the name or official title of the National Forest guy, no reply there either! I also asked em why the forest would keep it secret, never got an answer thereeither.

but now they insist that the biologists for the local power company (who owns large swaths of forest) are afraid to go into their forest because they have had to recover several bodies that had been torn limb from limb by bigfoot, and they fear they are next!

I'm just reporting the facts that have been given me, as accurately as possible!
Just like Fox news, : I report, you deside!

You have to admit, it's a good twist on old nonsense.

I take it back; it's mediocre at best.

 

[Turgor]

Let's pretend we don't have the use of DNA at all. Let's pretend we are back in time to before DNA analysis was possible.

We will also eliminate film, as that's too obvious an answer.

We will also discount tracks, as we have no sample for comparison and we know that tracks can be faked and will fool even scientists.

Let's assume there is a healthy bigfoot population in Northern California.

How would we prove there were bigfoot roaming Northern California?

It's still pretty easy, imo.

If there was a healthy bigfoot population in Northern California, I would expect my best chances to see one is visiting a National Park designated as (amongst other things) a bigfoot habitat, with a museum showing some of the scientific research on these large primates.

Large primates that we discovered when we helped the besieged native American tribes beat back this species that had dominated the American continent until then with their strength and cunning. Or perhaps that was that alternate reality, you can never be sure what with bigfoot's ability to jump dimensions.

 

[LTC8K6]

I guess youd have to go out and see one. But once you did, how would you ever go back to not believing and how would you deal with it?

Not really talking about seeing one. That doesn't prove they exist. People already see them.