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Vaccine/autism CT discussion

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jargon buster said:
Evidence please.
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There is a whooping cough epidemic in many areas of the US today. Most of the victims have had the pertussis vaccinations. Shortly after the first Salk Polio trials, many of the vaccinated came down with Polio due to the dead vaccine being not so dead. And after the wide spread use of the live Polio vaccine, in some areas, the only Polio victims contracted the disease from the live vaccine.
 
Robert Prey said:
Smallpox vaccine was a good idea when there was a smallpox epidemic, but today, it is a very bad idea.
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Exactly wrong.

At the start of an epidcemic is NOT when you want vaccinations. BEFORE the epidemic to PREVENT the epidemic is when you want the vaccine.

Why wpould you wait until the vaccine was least viable, instead of building herd immmunity? Especially in a world of jet travel and international commuting? You want people to die BEFORE you offer everybody else the preventative vaccine?


You know what, go watch Smallpox 2002. It's a drama, but at least its a more realistic fiction that your ideas.
 
Robert Prey said:
There is a whooping cough epidemic in many areas of the US today. Most of the victims have had the pertussis vaccinations. Shortly after the first Salk Polio trials, many of the vaccinated came down with Polio due to the dead vaccine being not so dead. And after the wide spread use of the live Polio vaccine, in some areas, the only Polio victims contracted the disease from the live vaccine.
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So your evidence is that faulty vaccines are faulty? And not that the vaccines as designed are faulty?

Yay.
 
Robert Prey said:
There is a whooping cough epidemic in many areas of the US today. Most of the victims have had the pertussis vaccinations. Shortly after the first Salk Polio trials, many of the vaccinated came down with Polio due to the dead vaccine being not so dead. And after the wide spread use of the live Polio vaccine, in some areas, the only Polio victims contracted the disease from the live vaccine.
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I didn't know about the whooping cough epidemic and so I Googled it.
http://www.cdc.gov/pertussis/outbreaks.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ne-so-why-is-there-a-whooping-cough-outbreak/
http://kablooey.org/2012/07/24/why-all-the-pertussis/

...When the vaccination rates drop, everyone becomes more vulnerable to infectious diseases. When more than 90% of the population is vaccinated, we have “herd immunity” – this means the disease can’t spread because there aren’t enough susceptible people in the community. So the high rate of vaccine refusal in Washington makes it easier for whooping cough (and other diseases) to spread.
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevens...he-worst-whooping-cough-epidemic-in-70-years/
 
The concept of vaccines is kinda fine and dandy. But the "one size fits all" implementation ain't science by a long shot.

The human body is complex and whipping up a batch of vaccine for a virus using the vaccine rules of the road is little more than some witch doctor brewing up a potion.
 
Clayton Moore said:
The concept of vaccines is kinda fine and dandy.
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Well, that's a start.
But the "one size fits all" implementation ain't science by a long shot.
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What do you mean? Please be specific.

The human body is complex and whipping up a batch of vaccine for a virus using the vaccine rules of the road is little more than some witch doctor brewing up a potion.
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And again, what are you talking about?
 
Robert Prey said:
There is a whooping cough epidemic in many areas of the US today. Most of the victims have had the pertussis vaccinations. Shortly after the first Salk Polio trials, many of the vaccinated came down with Polio due to the dead vaccine being not so dead. And after the wide spread use of the live Polio vaccine, in some areas, the only Polio victims contracted the disease from the live vaccine.
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Proof please.
 
Tomtomkent said:
And if we extend that graph to the present, how many upwards trends do we see after vaccinations are introduced? You know like the ones we can see BEFORE vaccination?

If we extend that chart backwards, we see a number of peaks and troughs, that we can all a Frequency of Events. What has the Frequency become?

See. Statistics are fun.
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And the ''facts'' are from a looney site called vaxtruth!
 
dafydd said:
And the ''facts'' are from a looney site called vaxtruth!
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I know such sites want you to look at their "facts" and say "OH NO!" They don't seem to like it when you put their facts through an analytical grinder...
 
Clayton Moore said:
50 years ago? It is more likely that today's medical technology would have saved his daughter.
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Today's medical technology includes vaccines.

Think about this. If bed rest and a dark room were pretty much the remedy for measles in 1960 don't you think science could head off complications after 50 years?
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They once said the same thing about cancer. Once again, putting a question mark after your rhetorical nonsense still leaves it as nonsense.

How many trillions of dollars has the American public spent on measles vaccines?
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Good question. If you think it matters, find out and present the information instead of JAQing off.

Obama's budget total a record $3.8 trillion

$360,000,000,000 = $.36 trillion.


I think it's safe to say
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It's strange, but I have almost never heard someone sincerely use that term in a debate that wasn't talking out of their personals.

that every year vaccines cost Americans way more than the yearly national budget.
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Stundie.

Vaccine money should be spent toward curing diseases rather than haphazardly trying to prevent them.
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An ounce of prevention. Also, are you now acknowledging that vaccines do work to any degree whatsoever?
 
Robert Prey said:
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Do you have one that continues to the present day? Are you going to address the graph Tomblvd posted with the number dropping sharply after vaccines were introduced? Do you have any sites other than anti-vaxxers? Primary sources, maybe?

I'm also noting a complete lack of backup for the herd immunity claim, or the alteration of the numbers.

Robert Prey said:
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Yes, you are.

Robert Prey said:
Smallpox vaccine was a good idea when there was a smallpox epidemic, but today, it is a very bad idea.
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Thing is, without vaccines, there's no "herd immunity", and, eventually, a resurgence in smallpox.

Robert Prey said:
Not at all. But there is a lot of brainwash out there concerning vaccinations. Just seeking to impart some balance with uncensored facts.
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Yes, you're just full of those.

Robert Prey said:
There is a whooping cough epidemic in many areas of the US today. Most of the victims have had the pertussis vaccinations.
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Post hoc, ergo propter hoc.

Shortly after the first Salk Polio trials, many of the vaccinated came down with Polio due to the dead vaccine being not so dead.
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Source please.

And after the wide spread use of the live Polio vaccine, in some areas, the only Polio victims contracted the disease from the live vaccine.
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Source please.

Amazing how you think an experimental vaccine will have the same effects as one that's gone through decades of testing and refinement. I note that you don't actually present any statistics.
 
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