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Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

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JayUtah said:
Dodge.

You got caught expressing your ignorance of basic computer science. True
You got caught making a claim that can be empirically disproven. True

And you have no answer but flailing your arms wildly. True

As I explained, a pixel is defined as having unique and atomic photometric properties. And it is to that atomic notion of a pixel that you referred. You didn't know that, and you put your foot in your mouth. True

Pantone 877, as you well know from your frantic Googling, has geometrically-dependent photometric properties that cannot be captured by a scanner nor reproduced on a CYMK printer. If there are colors you can't scan and print, then your claim that what you scan and what you print are what was original there is full of hogwash. True

You're simply not honest enough to admit when you've been proven wrong. True
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Robert Prey said:
No. You are not honest enough to admit that all of those premises are false.
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No Robert every single point is correct. When in a hole Robert, stop digging

Robert Prey said:
Then if it's not a scanner with x-ray vision, then perhaps a scanner with ESP? Call it what you want, but a scanner can only copy what it sees. That's Common Sense, 101, Professor. But whatever you call it, surely you could point to at least one, learned, scholarly, peer reviewed article that scanners can see behind the objects they copy. Waiting.
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Pantone 877 awaits your attention. You can't scan it correctly, nor can you print it correctly, and you realise you are caught with your unmentionables around your brogues.

Oddly, it used to be a corporate colour of a customer of mine. See if you can figure out how it was printed correctly.
 
Robert Prey said:
Very easy to do if allowed to view the original birth certificate, if there really is one. Impossible without it.
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It has been produced, inspected, and verified beyond any reasonable doubt. The digital copy has been verified to be an authentic copy... I'm sorry but do you have any legitimate grounds to dispute this?
 
Robert Prey said:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=808&pictureid=6632
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You do know that the sign in Arabic actually says Welcome to Hawaii?

shopped from this photo:

kenyasign2.jpg
 
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abaddon said:
No Robert every single point is correct. When in a hole Robert, stop digging

Pantone 877 awaits your attention. You can't scan it correctly, nor can you print it correctly, and you realise you are caught with your unmentionables around your brogues.

Oddly, it used to be a corporate colour of a customer of mine. See if you can figure out how it was printed correctly.
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You still have not stated a point. Do you have one?
 
When it comes to getting an exact reproduction of given document in pdf form via scanning I see one additional hurdle I haven't seen discussed.

That would be ambient light. If you look at any flatbed scanner you'll notice that it is possible that you'll get some ambient light leaking on the scanning platform. So if the ambient lighting changes, the color tones captured by the scanning head are going to be ever so slightly different, even if the document was not moved (or even if the platform cover was not opened) between scanning attempts. Simply standing by the scanner in different position, turning a desk light on or off and most importantly, change in direction and intensity of sunlight if there is a window in the room could be enough to change the result enough to be evident in, for example md5 hash of the optimized pdf, even if the difference could not be discerned by human eye.

And if I'm correct with above, guess what happens if you move the scanner to a different room when you are doing that reproducibility test?

I understand high-end drum scanners are fairly well protected from light leaks but I doubt a standard desk clerk would actually have access to one, let alone bother to use one for simple document scanning.
 
http://rcradioblog.wordpress.com/author/realitycheck1776/page/4/

Did Orly Taitz Commit Perjury in a Hawaiian Court Filing or Is She Just That Incompetent?

Did Orly Taitz commit perjury?

Thanks to Hawaii resident Mike Dunford, a recent Reality Check Radio guest, we have learned that Orly Taitz may have perjured herself in a recent filing submitted to circuit court Judge Nishimura in Honolulu, Hawaii. The filing in question was submitted after Judge Nishimura had denied Taitz’s motion to attempt to enforce subpoenas she had downloaded from the Georgia Office of State Administrative Hearings web site that were addressed to Loretta Fuddy, the Director of the Hawaii Department of Health and her representative Jill Nagamine.
 
The COLB: A Digital Creation: The Rosetta Stone

Of all the anomalies in the COLB, it's the green checkered background selectively seen only behind the white dot objects. Since no scanner has x-ray vision, this has placed the anti-birthers in a corner from from which they cannot extricate themselves, for if the COLB is not an original scan, but a digital creation, the jig is up. Thus, leave it to Mr. Expert to dig into his magic bag of techno-babble to come up with more Orwellian malarkey, but when challenged, cannot point to a single confirming reference source. Conclusion, the COLB is a fraud. Game, Set, Match.
 
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http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress....h-guthrie-photograph-of-the-certified-copy-2/

Educating the Confused – Mara Zebest versus Savannah Guthrie – Photograph of the Certified Copy

Savannah Guthrie, who is an American journalist and lawyer, served as a White House correspondent between 2008 and 2011, actually held the certified copy of President Obama’s birth certificate and felt the raised seal. She also took a photograph which indeed shows the signs of the seal. You can click on the picture below to see a larger version of the photograph which shows that the document was not the B&W copy that had been distributed by the Whitehouse in paper form.
 
Robert Prey said:
Of all the anomalies in the COLB, it's the green checkered background selectively seen only behind the white dot objects. Since no scanner has x-ray vision, this has placed the anti-birthers in a corner from from which they cannot extricate themselves, for if the COLB is not an original scan, but a digital creation, the jig is up. Thus, leave it to Mr. Expert to dig into his magic bag of techno-babble to come up with more Orwellian malarkey, but when challenged, cannot point to a single confirming reference source. Conclusion, the COLB is a fraud. Game, Set, Match.
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Robert do you insist on such terms as "magic bag of techno-babble" because you don't understand the discussion?

Where is the meta-data that shows the document to be a digital creation?
 
There is nothing orwellian about Jay and Abbadons demonstrations of how ditigal documentation works, for those who take the trouble to read and understand them.

The only thing I see in this thread of an Orwellian nature is the birther doublethink and duckspeak I see getting repeated over and over again as if this is going to magically change reality and make the nasty FACTS go away.
 
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How about this

Jay meets zebest it is filmed and she has to prove her case to him and vice versa.
 
I note that in his latest series of replies, Robert has been studiously dodging the fact that he proffered a clearly Photoshopped image as "proof".
 
Robert Prey said:
[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=808&pictureid=6632[/qimg]
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Once again, I ask why you have used this sign as evidence of BHOII's birth place as Kenya?

Why do Birthers refuse to accept the evidence of the State of Hawaii to the birth place of BHOII?

Where can I find the certificates of live birth of the last 5 Presidents and Vice Presidents?

Can you point out the technical flaws in JayUtah's and Abaddon's quite full and detailed answers with regard to PDF's?

Can you explain why, instead of an answer, you deliver one of these?

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