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Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

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Alferd_Packer said:
hey Jay, get a load of the programs that this "expert" uses to examine the PDF file with.

http://www.science.co.il/Obama-Birth-Certificate.htm
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Because of the persisting controversy about his eligibility, On April 27, 2011 the Office of the President at the White House released a document that is called "Long-Form Birth Certificate". The release of this simple document, after two years of controversy, raised in our minds the possibility that there could be something suspicious about the information available on this document. To check this, we downloaded the document that was posted at the White House site
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Nice open mind there.
 
There is some new entertainment comming up on the Orly Taitz front.

Apparently she is teaming up with Keith Judd and the usual birther miscreants on a new lawsuit.

the defendants are:

BARACK OBAMA , IN HIS CAPACITY AS A CANDIDATE ON THE BALLOT FOR THE US PRESIDENT IN 2012 ELECTION
NATALIE E. TENNANT, in her capacity of West Virginia Secretary of State;
DEBRA BOWEN, in her capacity of California Secretary of State;
BRIAN P. KEMP, in his capacity of Georgia Secretary of State;
WILLIAM M. GARDNER, in his capacity of New Hampshire Secretary of State;
NANCY PELOSI in her capacity of the Chairwoman of the 2008 Democratic National Convention and Signor of the Certificate of Nomination for Candidate for President Obama;
MICHAEL ASTRUE in his capacity as the Commissioner of SSA;
WILLIAM A. CHATFIELD In his capacity as former Director of the Selective Service;
ALVIN ONAKA in his capacity as registrar of the Health Department of Hawaii;
JANET NAPOLITANO in her capacity as Secretary of Department of Homeland Security;
ERIC HOLDER in his capacity as Attorney General of the USA;
BRIAN SCHATZ in his capacity as 2008 Chairman of the Democratic party of Hawaii and Signor of the Certificate for Presidency for Barack Obama;
LYNN MATUSOW in her capacity as 2008 Secretary of the Democratic party of Hawaii and Signor of the Certificate for Presidency for Barack Obama
ALICE TRAVIS GERMOND in her capacity as a secretary of the 2008 Democratic Nominating Convention;
OBAMA FOR AMERICA;
BALLOT LAW COMMISSION OF
STATE OF HEW HAMPSHIRE;
BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF CALIFORNIA REPUBLICAN PARTY;
DEAN C. LOGAN in his capacity as Los Angeles county registrar,
ELIZABETH EMKEN in her capacity as a candidate on the ballot;
DIANNE FEINSTEIN in her capacity as a candidate on the ballot;
CLAY D. LAND in his capacity as a Federal Judge, Central District of Georgia;
JOHN AVLON, in his capacity as a reporter for Daily Beast;
CHRIS MATTHEWS in his capacity as a host of MSNBC;
MSNBC
FORBES MAGAZINE;
KEVIN UNDERHILL in his capacity as a reporter for FORBES MAGAZINE;
CLEARCHANNEL COMMUNICATIONS;
KFI AM 640;
JOHN AND KEN SHOW;
JOHN KOBELT;
PATRICK R. DONAHOE in his capacity as Post Master General and Chief Executive Officer of United States Postal Service;
CNN;
JOHN DOES and JANE DOES
1-100;
 
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Alferd_Packer said:
There is some new entertainment comming up on the Orly Taitz front.

Apparently she is teaming up with Keith Judd and the usual birther miscreants on a new lawsuit.

the defendants are:

BARACK OBAMA , IN HIS CAPACITY AS A CANDIDATE ON THE BALLOT FOR THE US PRESIDENT IN 2012 ELECTION
NATALIE E. TENNANT, in her capacity of West Virginia Secretary of State;
DEBRA BOWEN, in her capacity of California Secretary of State;
BRIAN P. KEMP, in his capacity of Georgia Secretary of State;
WILLIAM M. GARDNER, in his capacity of New Hampshire Secretary of State;
NANCY PELOSI in her capacity of the Chairwoman of the 2008 Democratic National Convention and Signor of the Certificate of Nomination for Candidate for President Obama;
MICHAEL ASTRUE in his capacity as the Commissioner of SSA;
WILLIAM A. CHATFIELD In his capacity as former Director of the Selective Service;
ALVIN ONAKA in his capacity as registrar of the Health Department of Hawaii;
JANET NAPOLITANO in her capacity as Secretary of Department of Homeland Security;
ERIC HOLDER in his capacity as Attorney General of the USA;
BRIAN SCHATZ in his capacity as 2008 Chairman of the Democratic party of Hawaii and Signor of the Certificate for Presidency for Barack Obama;
LYNN MATUSOW in her capacity as 2008 Secretary of the Democratic party of Hawaii and Signor of the Certificate for Presidency for Barack Obama
ALICE TRAVIS GERMOND in her capacity as a secretary of the 2008 Democratic Nominating Convention;
OBAMA FOR AMERICA;
BALLOT LAW COMMISSION OF
STATE OF HEW HAMPSHIRE;
BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF CALIFORNIA REPUBLICAN PARTY;
DEAN C. LOGAN in his capacity as Los Angeles county registrar,
ELIZABETH EMKEN in her capacity as a candidate on the ballot;
DIANNE FEINSTEIN in her capacity as a candidate on the ballot;
CLAY D. LAND in his capacity as a Federal Judge, Central District of Georgia;
JOHN AVLON, in his capacity as a reporter for Daily Beast;
CHRIS MATTHEWS in his capacity as a host of MSNBC;
MSNBC
FORBES MAGAZINE;
KEVIN UNDERHILL in his capacity as a reporter for FORBES MAGAZINE;
CLEARCHANNEL COMMUNICATIONS;
KFI AM 640;
JOHN AND KEN SHOW;
JOHN KOBELT;
PATRICK R. DONAHOE in his capacity as Post Master General and Chief Executive Officer of United States Postal Service;
CNN;
JOHN DOES and JANE DOES
1-100;
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The remaining minority of 95% of the rest of humanity does not give a rats.

Go knock yourselves out. We will watch and laugh.

ETA: That was unfair of me. If we include the sane americans, we would likely be well up in the 99.9%s of humanity, but as usual, the squeaky wheel gets the oil.

ETA2: In fact, having been there (SF, CHICAGO, LA) I can say they are the most welcoming bunch EVER.
 
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Bob001 said:
My head hurts! Why would the White House doctor a birth certificate for its web site? The original paper document is still in a binder in the Hawaii archives. Several responsible officials have seen it, and they produced what they swear are two photocopies of that original document. Many other people, including reporters, have seen and handled those two photocopies and photocopies made directly from them. How could changes be made in the posted PDF without being instantly exposed? What exactly do the birthers think was altered?
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Indeed. Couldn't the White ask ask Hawaii [StageWhisper] who is in on the whole thing[/StageWhisper] to send over some of the paper they use for birth certificates and then run that over to Langley where I bet they have one of the most awesome forgery departments in the free world?

If everyone is in it, then why did they ask a White House intern at 4:30 on a Friday to piece together a forgery for the web?
 
Because conspirators are stupid and can always be found out by experts still living in mom's basement. Didn't you know that? That's how this game works!
 
BazBear said:
Why is it that you Robert, with all your supposed Adobe software experience, can't seem to figure this out?:rolleyes:
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The problem Robert Prey has is that everything he knows about the PDF distraction comes from other people. He's just a simple soundboardWP firing off prerecorded material. In this role he has no responsibility to learn or alter the argument based on new information. In fact, he's quite incapable of it.

Pointing out the "1 Layer" label in Illustrator has no effect. He'll just keep rattling on about multiple layers, because that's the only relevant "soundbite" his programming knows...
 
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Cl1mh4224rd said:
The problem Robert Prey has is that everything he knows about the PDF distraction comes from other people. He's just a simple soundboardWP firing off prerecorded material. In this role he has no responsibility to learn or alter the argument based on new information. In fact, he's quite incapable of it.

Pointing out the "1 Layer" label in Illustrator has no effect. He'll just keep rattling on about multiple layers, because that's the only relevant "soundbite" his programming knows...
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I don't really expect to have any effect on Robert, but I did want to show that anyone with even half decent computer skills and a few minutes of free time can easily and quickly prove to themselves that Robert is completely wrong (as usual).

Sorry Robert, there's no expert required for this debunking!
 
I've been one that has thought that this whole birther thing was one of the most implausible conspiracy theories to gain any national notoriety, but now I may need to reconsider my thoughts on that. Perhaps RP is on to something.

Here's some analysis of the COB that I wasn't aware of.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8lX4qBWpJc&feature=related

To heck with esoteric analysis of PDF files, there's an argument that we can all understand.
 
DavidJames said:
I'd like to volunteer Mr. & Mrs. DavidJames for John and Jane Doe #'s 47 & 48 (we want to be involved, but not stand out)
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I'm afraid OrlyLaw doesn't quite work that way. You have to either thwart her mission to oust Obama in some way, or be a public person who says something bad about her. That's what landed Chris Matthews on her list!

Of course, in real law, that's not how John/Jane Does work, but it'll be spring in Hell before that ever penetrates the rat-gnawed stem that is Orly Taitz' brain.
 
Alferd_Packer said:
There is some new entertainment comming up on the Orly Taitz front.

Apparently she is teaming up with Keith Judd and the usual birther miscreants on a new lawsuit.

the defendants are:

BARACK OBAMA , IN HIS CAPACITY AS A CANDIDATE ON THE BALLOT FOR THE US PRESIDENT IN 2012 ELECTION
NATALIE E. TENNANT, in her capacity of West Virginia Secretary of State;
DEBRA BOWEN, in her capacity of California Secretary of State;
BRIAN P. KEMP, in his capacity of Georgia Secretary of State;
WILLIAM M. GARDNER, in his capacity of New Hampshire Secretary of State;
NANCY PELOSI in her capacity of the Chairwoman of the 2008 Democratic National Convention and Signor of the Certificate of Nomination for Candidate for President Obama;
MICHAEL ASTRUE in his capacity as the Commissioner of SSA;
WILLIAM A. CHATFIELD In his capacity as former Director of the Selective Service;
ALVIN ONAKA in his capacity as registrar of the Health Department of Hawaii;
JANET NAPOLITANO in her capacity as Secretary of Department of Homeland Security;
ERIC HOLDER in his capacity as Attorney General of the USA;
BRIAN SCHATZ in his capacity as 2008 Chairman of the Democratic party of Hawaii and Signor of the Certificate for Presidency for Barack Obama;
LYNN MATUSOW in her capacity as 2008 Secretary of the Democratic party of Hawaii and Signor of the Certificate for Presidency for Barack Obama
ALICE TRAVIS GERMOND in her capacity as a secretary of the 2008 Democratic Nominating Convention;
OBAMA FOR AMERICA;
BALLOT LAW COMMISSION OF
STATE OF HEW HAMPSHIRE;
BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF CALIFORNIA REPUBLICAN PARTY;
DEAN C. LOGAN in his capacity as Los Angeles county registrar,
ELIZABETH EMKEN in her capacity as a candidate on the ballot;
DIANNE FEINSTEIN in her capacity as a candidate on the ballot;
CLAY D. LAND in his capacity as a Federal Judge, Central District of Georgia;
JOHN AVLON, in his capacity as a reporter for Daily Beast;
CHRIS MATTHEWS in his capacity as a host of MSNBC;
MSNBC
FORBES MAGAZINE;
KEVIN UNDERHILL in his capacity as a reporter for FORBES MAGAZINE;
CLEARCHANNEL COMMUNICATIONS;
KFI AM 640;
JOHN AND KEN SHOW;
JOHN KOBELT;
PATRICK R. DONAHOE in his capacity as Post Master General and Chief Executive Officer of United States Postal Service;
CNN;
JOHN DOES and JANE DOES
1-100;
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Hopefully, the California Bar will impose real sanctions this time....
 
Is there anyone who believes both

A) Barack Obama should be held accountable for falsely claiming to be born in America.

and

B) Barack Obama should be held accountable for falsely claiming to be born in Kenya. (book promo, alleged college records, etc.)
 
headscratcher4 said:
Hopefully, the California Bar will impose real sanctions this time....
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As if.

However, IF she files this, she's in for a world of hurt as far as monetary sanctions go. Especially since Judge Land, who so far has been the only person to hit Orly with sanctions, is named in the suit.
 
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KDLarsen said:
As if.

However, IF she files this, she's in for a world of hurt as far as monetary sanctions go. Especially since Judge Land, who so far has been the only person to hit Orly with sanctions, is named in the suit.
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It would be amusing to see her hit for costs when she loses this suit. I don't think she's figured out that the more defendants you name, the more costs you have to pay when you lose.
 
BazBear said:
Since Bobby P. insists that the LFBC .pdf opens in AI with more than one layer, I thought I'd download AI and put it to the test myself.

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=810&pictureid=6601[/qimg]

Wow! Look over on the right side in the layers window...just one layer...yes, a bunch of groups...but just one layer. Do you see that Bob?

I've never used Illustrator before, but I can confirm what Jay and others have been saying for myself. Why is it that you Robert, with all your supposed Adobe software experience, can't seem to figure this out?:rolleyes:
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Because I don't engage in childish word games. That's the favorite toy of others who call them selves "experts" on this board. Yes one layer till you open it up. And it does say "group". But each group is on a separate layer. Obviously.
 
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