Are the crucifixion nails of Jesus in Europe?

[PeaceCrusader]

Fixed that for you.

20120912.0205

@Pixel42, #471

You have to experience what we (plural) experienced and report in this forum what you have observed. You may take with you your still camera, video camera, tape recorder, etc.

It is not only the spirit of Ama who talks through the physical body of Ka Apaz. There is also the Blessed Virgin Mary, Angelina Imden, Saint Evangeline, San Gabriel, San Miguel, Santa Cecilia.

The spirit of Ama said that there were four nails used in nailing Jesus to the cross – one for each hands and feet. The fifth nail is for the sign.

 

[godless dave]

Why do you believe the spirit of Ama when it has been wrong before?

 

[Mashuna]

20120912.0145

@Astreja, #475

You think that spirits are imaginary? How many have seen images of ghosts who when approached disappeared? What are those images? They belong to those who have died before us.

Yes, I think spirits are imaginary. People see all sorts of things that turn out not to be there, it's an artefact of how our brains work.

Tell me why flying birds in the thousands just fell from the sky in Louisiana, Arkansas, and Sweden in January 2011?

Various theories, including lightning strikes, shock from fireworks and high altitude hail have been put forward.

 

[Mashuna]

20120912.0205

@Pixel42, #471

You have to experience what we (plural) experienced and report in this forum what you have observed. You may take with you your still camera, video camera, tape recorder, etc.

It is not only the spirit of Ama who talks through the physical body of Ka Apaz. There is also the Blessed Virgin Mary, Angelina Imden, Saint Evangeline, San Gabriel, San Miguel, Santa Cecilia.

The spirit of Ama said that there were four nails used in nailing Jesus to the cross – one for each hands and feet. The fifth nail is for the sign.

The same Angelina Imden who lives up a mountain in England, eight hours from a town? Did you read the posts where people explain why this is not possible?

 

[svenax]

Tell me why flying birds in the thousands just fell from the sky in Louisiana, Arkansas, and Sweden in January 2011?

OK, I will, even though you will not listen. The events with dead birds and fish are really not that uncommon. What apparently happened in 2011 was that several of these events occurred within a short period of time. This made media publish more abouth them than they otherwise would. And this, of course, made all kinds of crackpot explanations appear, such as UFOs, secret military death rays, and of course biblical end times prophecies.

The explanations are unfortunately rather more mundane. The events were unrelated, so they all happened differently, but the most common explanation is various weather phenomena in combination with the birds being weakened by the winter. Also fireworks set off to scare the roosting birds can explain some of the events.

But we can all at least be sure that nothing supernatural was going on.

ETA: Bah, beaten by multiple posters. Must write quicker next time.

 

[Pixel42]

@Pixel42, #471

You have to experience what we (plural) experienced and report in this forum what you have observed. You may take with you your still camera, video camera, tape recorder, etc.

I have attended live theatre many times. I have seen many acting performances which I found utterly convincing. I have seen recordings of acting performances on TV and in the cinema which were equally convincing. Should I report in this forum that I have seen Nigel Hawthorne speaking with the voice of C.S. Lewis?

Please get it through your head that there was nothing special about what you (plural) experienced.

 

[svenax]

PC, could you please explain how Ka Apaz can channel the spirit of Angelina Imden even though she is still alive? I thought that spirits stayed with their bodies until death occurs. Or can Ka Apaz channel any dead or living person? That would indeed be something for the million dollar challenge.

 

[pakeha]

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Oh, myyyy.
Muffins!
And muffins go wonderfully with...
Another round of Dom for all!

20120912.0045

@pakeha, #464

Seance, according to the World Book Dictionary, is “a meeting of people trying to communicate with spirits of the dead by the help of a medium”. I have said that there is a good spirit which is from the only true God and an evil spirit which is from the enemy of the only true God. ...

PC, there is nothing you have told us which doesn't fit into the definition of a seance.

Ka Apaz has convinced this group she actually channeling jesus.
PC, there are so many reasons it's obvious she's not.
Shall we go through them one by one?

...Do you know why Emperor Tiberius Caesar made him Governor of the Roman province of Judaea?

No, I don't.
What has been revealed on the subject in the seances?

...It is not only the spirit of Ama who talks through the physical body of Ka Apaz. There is also the Blessed Virgin Mary, Angelina Imden, Saint Evangeline, San Gabriel, San Miguel, Santa Cecilia. ...

PC, didn't you understand that saint Evangeline is a fictitious character?

 

[Astreja]

You think that spirits are imaginary?

Yes, I do. I think that spirits are imaginary, and if you want Me to believe otherwise you will have to invent some way for science to consistently detect them.

How many have seen images of ghosts who when approached disappeared? What are those images? They belong to those who have died before us.

Until otherwise demonstrated, I think that it's a trick of the human brain. These "ghosts" do not seem to be related to the physical universe in any way whatsoever except as constructs of the physical brain.

Tell me why flying birds in the thousands just fell from the sky in Louisiana, Arkansas, and Sweden in January 2011?

My guess is that it's an anomaly in the ecosystem. It could have been a sudden temperature drop that caused the birds' hearts to stop; an unidentified toxin; a perturbance in the electromagnetic field of the Earth that caused the birds' evolved navigational systems to go awry; or some other natural phenomenon that we have yet to identify.

I absolutely do not think that the death of the birds has anything whatsoever to do with gods or spirits. Furthermore, for the safety and well-being of other flocks of birds and other living entities on this planet, I think that we need to research this properly. Writing it off as a god or demon having an orniphobic hissy-fit is a total waste of time, as it explains nothing.

And please answer My question: Knowing now that we don't believe you, why are you here?

 

[abaddon]

20120912.0205

@Pixel42, #471

You have to experience what we (plural) experienced and report in this forum what you have observed. You may take with you your still camera, video camera, tape recorder, etc.

And record.....what?

It is not only the spirit of Ama (doesn't exist) who talks through the physical body of Ka Apaz. There is also the Blessed Virgin Mary(doesn't exist), Angelina Imden(doesn't exist), Saint Evangeline(doesn't exist), San Gabriel(doesn't exist), San Miguel(doesn't exist), Santa Cecilia(doesn't exist).

Welcome to fail.

The spirit of Ama said that there were four nails used in nailing Jesus to the cross – one for each hands and feet. The fifth nail is for the sign.

Yet dozens turned up.

 

[Elizabeth I]

This is the translation to English of http://aristean.org/pahayag085.htm .

Talk with Angelina Imden in 1992

Angelina Imden: Good evening to you too.
Aristeo Fernando: Good evening to you.
Angelina: Good afternoon to you. How are you?
Anta Perez: We are fine. How are you?
Angelina: I am fine.
Anita: It has been a long time that we haven’t communicated with you.
Angelina: It was really a long time. Very long. I have not forgotten Reneliniyindi.
Anita: It has been many years, isn’t it?
Angelina: It was a long time. May be, about fiftee (15) years.
Anita: It was really very long.
Angelina: Are you still the same?
Anita: Yes, still the same.
Aristeo: I had been included in those fifteen (15) years.
Marcia Tolentino: There are those who have already died.
Clarita Enriquez: Sister, how many corpses have you dug up so far?
Angelina: Seventy-five (75) only.
Anita: Seventy-five (75).
Aristeo: Which body do you use now? Where did you dig it up?
Angelina: The only one from Egypt.
Aristeo: Ah, can you use the corpse from other countries?
Angelina: That is also possible. Only thing, they are not used. They are not what-do-you call-it.
Aristeo: How do the corpses look like?
Angelina: They look the same.
Aristeo: The same look? Do the bodies decay or they are as if sleeping?
Angelina: As if sleeping.
Aristeo: Without life.
Angelina: Without life. In the coffin, though. When it is to be used, it (coffin) opens. That is why it is not scary. Others do not know this.
Anita: The coffin opens and the light switches on.
Angelina: Yes.
Anita: The light, it means that the spirit is there.
Manuel de la Cruz: Sister, where is your place?
Angelina: In England.
Aristeo: Can we correspond with you?
Angelina: If Reneliniyindi would come here ...
Aristeo: By mail?
Angelina: That cannot be because it is mountain.
Manuel: Where in England, Sister?
Angelina: In ..., do you go there?
Manuel: Yes.
Angelina: It is far from the city itself.
Manuel: About two hours?
Angelina: Not only. Maybe, that is about eight hours.
Manuel: Eight hours of travel.
Angelina: Yes.
Clarita: Mountain, Sister?
Anita: Sister Angelina ...
Aristeo: Are there people who record on tape there?
Angelina: Sometimes.
Aristeo: I understand that the corpse there in England is laden, is leaden. Then, it becomes like a receiver or like radio. Now, we talk here in the Philippines, you can hear also but in your language there.
Angelina: Yes.
Aristeo: If that is taped, you can therefore hear my voice there in the Egyptian language?
Angelina: Yes.
Aristeo: Could you please send me tape recording of our sessions held here in the Philippines in your language there?
Angelina: I will try.
Aristeo: My address in Australia is PO Box 11, Fairfield, New South Wales 2165, Australia. My name is Aristeo Fernando.
Anita: He, Sister, is our new what-do-you-call-it, an old member. A member colleague.
Aristeo: But it is only now that I have to opportunity to talk to you. I only have heard your conversation to people here. They are on tape.

This transcription is from tape h06a, start-5:00

We (plural) don't care.

 

[Astreja]

Abaddon, you kindly provided this summary of the Dramatis Personae in this little farce:

{PC, with Abaddon's annotations:}

It is not only the spirit of Ama (doesn't exist) who talks through the physical body of Ka Apaz. There is also the Blessed Virgin Mary(doesn't exist), Angelina Imden(doesn't exist), Saint Evangeline(doesn't exist), San Gabriel(doesn't exist), San Miguel(doesn't exist), Santa Cecilia(doesn't exist).

Indeed, does 'Ka Apaz' even exist?

And if she does, has she been subject to any legal investigations or lawsuits in the Philippines?

And if not... Why not?

 

[Stomatopoda]

If 5 billion (plural) people believed that 2+2=17, they would not be any more correct than if only you (singular) believed it.

 

[Stomatopoda]

Also, it does not matter if you took 5 minutes or 50 years to be convinced that 2+2=17.

Also, saying "FYI, 2+2=17" does not make it a fact. It just makes the falsehood sound more (hilariously) condescending.

Saying "I proved 2+2=17" does not make 2+2 equal to 17.

Repeating these things over and over and over and over still does not make 2+2 equal 17.

Your neighbor Lupita rolling her eyes back and moaning "2+2=17" in the voice of the legion does not make 2 and 2 combine to give you 17. It means she probably realizes how gullible you are and has fun messing with you.

 

[Mojo]

It is not only the spirit of Ama who talks through the physical body of Ka Apaz. There is also the Blessed Virgin Mary, Angelina Imden, Saint Evangeline, San Gabriel, San Miguel, Santa Cecilia.

Let me guess: they all speak Filipino.

 

[rickps]

Another round of Dom for all!

Hey thanksh...hic...thanksh Pake...Pake...thanksh.

Heyyyy Minesh...minesh got a floaty nail in it

 

[AdMan]

Hey thanksh...hic...thanksh Pake...Pake...thanksh.

Heyyyy Minesh...minesh got a floaty nail in it

Cheers!

 

[pakeha]

Bubbles don't make you THAT drunk.
I suspect the real culprit is the nail:
http://www.helium.com/items/447349-drink-recipes-rusty-nail

Another round of Dom for all!

 

[PeaceCrusader]

PC, could you please explain how Ka Apaz can channel the spirit of Angelina Imden even though she is still alive? I thought that spirits stayed with their bodies until death occurs. Or can Ka Apaz channel any dead or living person? That would indeed be something for the million dollar challenge.

20120912.1000

@svenax, #487

Yes, that came to my mind last night – a living person by the name of Angelina Imden using the body of Ka Apaz and talks in Filipino. I thought that only dead persons do that. I believe that Ama lived before, so were the cherub Saint Evangeline, the Blessed Virgin Mary, Saint Cecilia, the apostles Michael and Gabriel. But Angelina Imden is a living person, supposedly in England. How could her spirit leave her body and appropriate Ka Apaz’s body and talk in Filipino? I know that nothing is impossible with God. But how could Angelina Imden do this? How could the people in England be able to know what is being spoken in Egyptian by the body dug up in Egypt? Please help me scrutinize this happening. As I have said, I still doubt Angelina Imden.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Let me guess: they all speak Filipino.

20120912.1030

@Mojo, #495

Yes, Mojo, they all speak in Filipino, plus, of course, the spirit of Ama. The difference is Angelina Imden who from her account is supposedly living in England. A living person. And this makes me wonder how. That is what I just posted in this forum in reply to the question of svenax. I am in a quandary.