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Vaccine/autism CT discussion

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Nick Terry said:
Nope. The National Health Service in the UK also uses the MMR vaccine and is a state owned health service. Most European countries have substantial state sectors in healthcare and it seems to be standard to bundle shots together worldwide.

The advantages are obvious: it saves on the number of trips that mothers need to take to the health clinic, reduces the number of injections a baby might have to endure, and there is absolutely no evidence that combining the vaccines has any side-effects.
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The Wakefield fiasco was profit driven. His faked results for a current vaccine causing autism happened to turn up after he got the patent for a replacement. A replacement he would market and profit from.

You see when Clayton says something true it hurts his case.
 
Nick Terry said:
Nope. The National Health Service in the UK also uses the MMR vaccine and is a state owned health service. Most European countries have substantial state sectors in healthcare and it seems to be standard to bundle shots together worldwide.

The advantages are obvious: it saves on the number of trips that mothers need to take to the health clinic, reduces the number of injections a baby might have to endure, and there is absolutely no evidence that combining the vaccines has any side-effects.
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Duh.

9 vaccines in one visit.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Duh.

9 vaccines in one visit.
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versus 9 consecutive injections?

It's perfectly obvious that more injections means more inconvenience for the family, and more chances that skin irritations and other minor side-effects will occur, so on balance, all other things being equal, combining vaccines into one injection is a very wise move.

You've not presented any evidence at all that multiple vaccine shots have any actual side effects.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Vaccine OCT batch ZVRT
Vaccine BH batch 18Y
Vaccine CL batch 99Q
Vaccine DR batch VGG
Vaccine NP batch GCB
Vaccine VJ batch TEW
Vaccine A14 batch MKI
Vaccine A 18 batch WNH
Vaccine SS11 batch QAX

9 vaccine jabs during one visit ain't science. It ain't medicine either.
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Clayton, before you stumble along this path any further, can you give us a link to exactly what this means? As in, which vaccines and what part of the schedule?
 
Other than baldy state that 9 vaccines are a horrible assault on infants and that anyone disagreeing with that is a horrible person, he can produce absoluty no evidence at all to support the contention.
Conversley others here have posted actual studies showing no ill effect on infants

Clayton's financial motive also only really applies in the USA as in most developed countries vaccination is done by gov't run health care. Yes it saves money it also saves money by greatly reducing medical treatments of the diseaes that the vac's protect against.
Clayton has not stated a frequency of vaccination that would be accetable. Should that be two per year , the child would not complete the 9 vacs umtil over 4 years old giving that child that long unprotected time and therefore that length of time to contract those diseases which would result in expense of treatment that would greatly exceed the cost of 9 fifeteen minute visits for vaccination
 
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MissArisia's vaccinations

Day of birth: Hepatitis B
One month of age: Hepatitis B
Two months of age: DTaP, HIB, Polio (oral)
Four months of age: DTaP, HIB, Polio (oral)
Six months of age: DTaP, HIB, Polio (oral)
Nine months of age: Hepatitis B
One year of age: Varivax (chicken pox)
Fifteen months of age: MMR, HIB
Eighteen months of age: Polio (oral), DTaP
Five years of age: DTaP, MMR
Ten years of age: Gardasil (HPV, three doses over 6 months)
Twelve years of age: Boostrix (Tdap)
Thirteen years of age: MCV4 (meningococcal disease)

At no time was she given more than two shots at one visit, since the Polio vaccine given was always the oral version. This is pretty much the standard vaccination schedule, although the later vaccinations for HPV and meningococcal disease aren't required, just recommended.
 
though I cannot easily post links from my ereader, Rotary International reports that polio is now close to being eradicated worldwide specifically attributable to the widespread vaccinations worldwide. It is on the verge of joining smallpox as a disease of the past
 
Thought I'd throw this into the mix from the Community Forum, concerning vaccinations.

TragicMonkey said:
Well. I always knew I was extraordinary, but I never dreamt I would be one of the lucky 6% of people who managed to get chicken pox from the vaccination.

Yes, that's right. At age....well, over 30, let's say...I managed to come down with the laughably childish disease that everyone else on earth already had before they were 10. And what's worse?

It was my employer who gave it to me.

As a condition of employment in the hospital chain I work for, I had to be immunized for certain diseases. So my gracious employer gave me, for free, the chicken pox vaccine.

Two weeks later, guess who's feeling really weak and feverish? And woke up today covered in itchy red bumps?

To add insult to injury, I have to use my own earned time off to recover from a disease my employer gave me itself, at its own demand, in its own facilities. And I had to pay the copay and everything at their own ER. Indignity! Itching!

Worst part? When possibly the hottest doctor who isn't a television character came in to poke at my "lesions" and discuss them "crusting over" with another doctor. Me, Monkey, stripped to the waist and displaying my normally glorious torso, become an object of pity and medical interest and oozing!

Feel free to post sympathetic messages or, even better, tell a story how you had it worse so I can laugh and feel better because your pain is funny, mine is just sad.
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He's managed to survive the instant death.

Perhaps he could be a good test case, just to see if he develops autism.
 
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jaydeehess said:
though I cannot easily post links from my ereader, Rotary International reports that polio is now close to being eradicated worldwide specifically attributable to the widespread vaccinations worldwide. It is on the verge of joining smallpox as a disease of the past
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It probably would have been eradicated by now if it wasn't for the anti-vaccine cranks and their silly conspiracy theories.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Duh.

9 vaccines in one visit.
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tsig said:
So it's not any one vaccine but a combination of them that's the danger?
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I'm wondering whether Clayton subscribes to the "too many, too soon" hypothesis.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11773551

Recent surveys found that an increasing number of parents are concerned that infants receive too many vaccines. Implicit in this concern is that the infant's immune system is inadequately developed to handle vaccines safely or that multiple vaccines may overwhelm the immune system.
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From the full text (free):

If vaccines overwhelmed or weakened the immune system, then one would expect lesser immune responses when vaccines are given at the same time as compared with when they are given at different times.41,42 However, the following vaccines induce similar humoral immune responses when given at the same or different times: 1) MMR and varicella,43,44 2) MMR, diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis (DTP), and OPV,45 3) hepatitis B, diphtheria-tetanus, and OPV,46 4) influenza and pneumococcus,47 5) MMR, DTP-Hib, and varicella,48 6) MMR and Hib,49 and 7) DTP and Hib.49
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We are on constant watch over the 10 month old grandsonm. He wants to put everything in his mouth and of course does manage to get, among other things I personally intervened to take out of his mouth on Sunday at the cottage and beach, stones, sand, beach toys, shoes, the tray on his stroller, my shirt........

In the house its anything he can get his hands on (He's teething of course).

100 years ago, 500 years ago, 1000 years ago think about the even greater number of bacteria and viruses a child could encounter in the first say decade of life. Yet the race survived!
Child mortality has decreased largely because we have recognized how the immune system works and in the past century+ we have managed to not only avoid these pathoges to a great extent but now have the ability to cause the immune system to be primed to fight specific pathogens by utilising that knowledge and exposing people to either dead whole pathogens or simply the protein coating or even parts of that coating of those pathogens.

So we expose a child to 9 at once. Its a tiny percentage of what my grandson exposes himself to on a daily basis, the only difference being that the ones he's getting from the above sources are easily fought off even though they are live. His immune system ramps up faster than those viruses can replicate. Vaccines will simply have a primed response to other mnore potent ones.
 
I've had multiple series of vaccinations for small pox, rabies, Hep B and anthrax.

Still kicking...
 
Clayton,

I'll simplify my prior, unanswered question: If it is simply the number of vaccines at one time that disturbs you, is there one specific vaccine, if given alone, you view as safe and effective? In even simplier terms, is there any one vaccine you approve of?
 
jaydeehess said:
good luck Giordano. CM has been asked similar questions in the past and not answered
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I know Clayton has been avoiding this question ever since he decided to argue that too many vaccines at one time were the problem. But I just don't get his refusal to answer. It is such a simple, unslanted and reasonable question. Which vaccines, and administered at what intervals, would Clayton view as safe? None and never would be an honest and easy answer, if that is what Clayton truly believes.
 
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