Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

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Nonsense. With O's permission, they would have do it. But why does O even have to do that? If he was born there, he surely has his own copy. Why not simply make a copy of his own original??????? The answer is too obvious.
Does he have an original? Do you? Does everyone?

Please present here and now your COLB. What reason could you have not to do so? Watch out! I know you will have to scan it, so any layers or objects will be proof of forgery.
 
Nonsense. With O's permission, they would have do it.

Barack Obama, even though he is the President, would have to create a law overriding the State law.


Robert Prey said:
But why does O even have to do that? If he was born there, he surely has his own copy.

Was it handed to the infant Obama, with instructions to keep it safe for an even such as this? Was it not handed to his parents, who could have lost it, eaten it, etc.?


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Why not simply make a copy of his own original???????

Are you saying he has the original? What proof do you have of this?


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The answer is too obvious.

It is rather obvious. He had to ask for the State of Hawaii to issue him the Long Form Certificate of Birth and publish it on the White House website.

Enhanced, for your pleasure, and, even though the State of Hawaii deem it to be true, the birthers look to find more ammunition for their blank-firing gun.
 
Nonsense. With O's permission, they would have do it. But why does O even have to do that? If he was born there, he surely has his own copy. Why not simply make a copy of his own original??????? The answer is too obvious.


Huh? A copy of a copy? Isn't that worse than the current situation?
 
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Nonsense. With O's permission, they would have do it.

No, Obama can't override Hawaii state law.

But why does O even have to do that? If he was born there, he surely has his own copy. Why not simply make a copy of his own original??????? The answer is too obvious.

You just admitted why (and contradicted yourself in the process): he had a copy. The Hawaii State Department of Health kept the original sent to them from Kapi'olani.

You won't accept a copy directly from the state of Hawaii. Why do you expect us to believe you'd accept a copy of a copy from Obama?
 
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I thought you said you viewed the entire press conference. Check it out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3KBv735ko4

At 35 minutes.

The Cold Cuts Posse went to the Hawaii DOH. The Hawaii DOH informed them of the proper legal procedure to request Obama's birth information. The Cold Cuts Posse then made no attempt to even try to follow those proper legal procedures to request Obama's birth information.

And you know exactly why the Cold Cuts Posse didn't do anything, Robert.
 
Originally Posted by Robert Prey
Sheriff Arpaio's people asked the Hawaii officials point blank if the COLB was an authentic copy and they refused to answer.


I thought you said you viewed the entire press conference. Check it out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3KBv735ko4

At 35 minutes.

Are you saying that a County Sheriff has the authority to countermand the Statutory Law of the State of Hawaii?

Please direct me to the exact law that allows this, and the part of the Constitution that also allows this.
 
Nonsense. With O's permission, they would have do it. But why does O even have to do that? If he was born there, he surely has his own copy. Why not simply make a copy of his own original??????? The answer is too obvious.

Since the birthers refused to accept the copy Obama of his own original birth certificate and they insisted on seeing a copy of his COLB, your point would be?
 
You claim it's authentic. The burden of proof is on you.

Us and the state of Hawaii, yes. As far as the law is concerned, it's real. Heck, even the Republicans accept it, and they'd have every reason to expose Obama. The preponderance of evidence is that it's genuine. The burden is on on Birthers.

The fact that the issuing state has not released the original.

And they have absolutely no legal reason to. Release it to who, exactly? Sheriff Joe, who has a vested interest in keeping the plates up in the air?

That's not evidence. That's incredulity. Hawaii says it's real, and has released not one, but two separate versions of the form.

Anyone who claims the document is an authentic copy without having seen the original, has no business debating the subject.

By the same coin, wouldn't anyone who says the document is false without seeing the original have no business debating the subject?

Without the original, no one can make any claims.

Obama had the original. He claimed it was real.

It sure is convenient that by your logic, the only person who can claim it is "real" is the person whose BC it is, which is a built-in COI.

Prove the copy is an exact copy of the original, or forever hold your peace.

You must have one heck of a DEX score.

I like how your only response to several pertinent questions is to ignore them and try and reverse the BoP. You don't even bother explaining how they're irrelevant.

One of my rules is, I don't venture down someone's suggested cyber bunny trail unless that poster first makes a point. Do you have a point?

Wow. I had actually forgotten you were a troll. You went a little too heavy on the lack of self-awareness here, though.

I don't think you've made any arguments. You merely engage in pointless technical rhetoric which in the end proves nothing about the validity of the COLB.

Which is why you've not addressed said "pointless rhetoric" in any depth whatsoever, right?

Nonsense. With O's permission, they would have do it. But why does O even have to do that? If he was born there, he surely has his own copy. Why not simply make a copy of his own original??????? The answer is too obvious.

"It's obvious!" Right out of the playbook. I don't carry around my Birth Certificate either. I have my passport in case some authority needs to know where I was born. I'll bet most of the people in this thread, including you, do not have a copy of their BC to hand.
 
It is a time of dread, malice, grief, retribution,
despair, longing and lollipops. But mostly dread.
The Mighty Tea Party came to power in the
wake of the Quickening after the demise of
Imperial Lord Darth Obama. They quickly
changed the laws to make sure his reign of
terror would never be repeated.

In a Federal building in Omaha, Nebraska a
man, Rob Peirce, sits waiting anxiously.



I supposed that I had let him sit there sweating just long enough. "Good day Mr Peirce," I said as cheerfully as I could muster while inviting him into my office with a wave of my hands.

"Uh...okay I'm just a bit confused as to why I'm here." He muttered while sitting down.

After letting him get comfortable I came right to the point. "This is never easy Mr Peirce but I'm afraid I have to inform you that we are going to be deporting you."

He blinked a few times before trying to respond. "But.....why....how?"

"It's very simple. You claim birth in the state of Hawaii. Do you not?"

"Uh, yes...I do. Hilo to be precise." There was almost a nervous rasp in his voice. "What is wrong with that?"

"Well the issue is, Mr Peirce, that we no longer recognize legal documents from Hawaii. As far as the federal government is concerned no one has ever been born in Hawaii."

He didn't seem to quite know how to respond. Finally he got some words out. "So where will I go?"

"Well as no one from Hawaii is a citizen now and since you never filed immigration papers we consider you an illegal alien. You will be deported."

"But deported to where?" His eyes darted back and forth while talking.

"Oh I don't know....wherever you were really born."

"But I was born in Hawaii!"

"And we have declared no one is born in Hawaii. Now.....to make this easier where were your parents born?"

"HAWAII!" He almost came out of his chair.

"Now, now. That clearly can't be true....but that is probably what you have been led to believe just as you were led to believe you were born in Hilo. What about your grandparents?"

He thought for a second. "Well mom's parents are from Indiana, my dad's dad is from New Jersey and dad's mom was......born in Hungary I think."

"Well then that settles it. You are being deported to your native land of Hungary." I stood up to make my point.

"But....but....I don't even speak Hungarian...I've never been there...I didn't even know Grandma Elsa!" He slumped over and started to cry.

Looking down on this broken man I felt little pity. "You illegals are all the same."
 
Nonsense.

Hawaii's law says its not nonsense. They cannot and will not release originals.

In fact not a single state in the US releases originals. That's why they CREATE CERTIFIED copies.

Do you know what CERTIFIED means? It means as good and LEGAL as the original copy.

With O's permission, they would have do it.

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Not even GOD himself can force Hawaii to make the original version shown to anyone. Hawaii laws specifically outline who can have access to the originals (workers of the Hawaii Department of Health). And the person requesting a copy can only GET a CERTIFIED COPY (for legal matters) and an UNCERTIFIED (carries no legal weight) should they need it for whatever reason.

The POTUS has no power over the State of Hawaii. Like you have no power over your Department of Health to show you the original of YOUR birth certificate.

I suggest you try and go down to your DOH (or whever your state holds your Birth Certificate) and demand to see your original.
 
Is there a consensus here that RP is actually making posts that represent his true beliefs?

It is not clear to me that the last sequence of RP posts would have or could have been made by a sincere individual.
 
The fact that the issuing state has not released the original.


They can't release the original. It stays in the archives. Anything that they release has to be a copy. They have issued a copy that they have certified as true and accurate. According to your Constitution, that's Game Over for you.
 
Anyone who claims the document is an authentic copy without having seen the original, has no business debating the subject.


Anyone who claims that the document is not an authentic copy when the state of Hawaii has said that it is is violating the Constitution and and therefore, according to you, anti-American.
 
Hi Robert

Just thought that a great way to settle the subject would be to compare Obama's PDF with the PDFs of the publicly available birth certificates of the last five presidents.

I'll wait for the links.
 
Hawaii's law says its not nonsense. They cannot and will not release originals.

In fact not a single state in the US releases originals. That's why they CREATE CERTIFIED copies.

Do you know what CERTIFIED means? It means as good and LEGAL as the original copy.



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Not even GOD himself can force Hawaii to make the original version shown to anyone. Hawaii laws specifically outline who can have access to the originals (workers of the Hawaii Department of Health). And the person requesting a copy can only GET a CERTIFIED COPY (for legal matters) and an UNCERTIFIED (carries no legal weight) should they need it for whatever reason.

The POTUS has no power over the State of Hawaii. Like you have no power over your Department of Health to show you the original of YOUR birth certificate.

I suggest you try and go down to your DOH (or whever your state holds your Birth Certificate) and demand to see your original.

Baloney.
 
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