Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

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Chaos said:
By now you should have noticed that RP isn´t willing to discuss anything.
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Indeed. He seems fond of the "teacher" delusion and of simply spewing whatever he's Googled today. I've found that most conspiracy theorists honestly don't think anyone knows more than they can learn by Googling about any particular subject. But that still begs the question of sincerity. There are the sincere conspiracy theorists, and then there are those who only play conspiracy theorist for the entertainment value.
 
Hans said:
This adds some details and other points to Baez's list

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crank_(person)
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Thank you.

Oh, so much information. I'll just quote one little part.

wikipedia said:
According to these authors, virtually universal characteristics of cranks include:

1. Cranks overestimate their own knowledge and ability, and underestimate that of acknowledged experts.
2. Cranks insist that their alleged discoveries are urgently important.
3. Cranks rarely, if ever, acknowledge any error, no matter how trivial.
4. Cranks love to talk about their own beliefs, often in inappropriate social situations, but they tend to be bad listeners, being uninterested in anyone else's experience or opinions.​
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So here's the thing. One might come to the JREF forum and say to oneself, "I will post some nonsense about birth certificates in order to upset the liberals. I don't really believe all this stuff, but I am pretending to be a crank so it will be funny." The catch is that in that case, one is not pretending to be a crank, one is pretending to be like 20-25% of the Republican party.
 
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DavidJames said:
Most conspiracy theorists have a healthy dose of Dunning - Kruger which gives them a sense of superiority over the rest of us.
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I agree. The D-K effect covers the case where conspiracy theorists and skeptics have congruent modes of learning and understanding, and the conspiracist believes himself to be superior in the same mode.

There is also another case where conspiracists believe themselves to have superior insight and knowledge by virtue of another mode of learning. For example, faith healers and holistic healers believe they are naturally endowed with healing goodness, as opposed to classical medicine whose doctors must go through all that schooling and merely apply a rote diagnostic procedure invented by others, exhibiting no inherent skill or understanding.

In the ranks of pseudoscience this typically takes the form of being a "free thinker" or a "non-mainstream scientist," whereas formal education and practice are characterized as merely crutches, or brainwashing indoctrination in "ordinary" or "approved" science that skirts the big mysteries. Pseudo-scientists consider themselves unshackled from conventional thinking and method and so are much more able to make astounding progress than the scientific Establishment.
 
TheRedWorm said:
can RP answer questions honestly?

In your taint, you know he kane't.

I know, but it needed to rhyme.
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In your gaza strip, you know he's a dip.

I think we've now used all of the slang terms for that body part in this thread (does that part even have a real name?). Job well done I'd say and it's really about all this absurd thread deserves.
 
Cleon said:
Alferd_Packer said:
Robert Prey said:
In your heart, you know I'm right.
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In my guts, I know you're nuts.
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In his liver, he knows he's up the river.
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In keeping with the anatomical theme, and not referring to anyone in particular, but instead referring to the silly argument that has been proffered, might I offer some other parallel (and equally specious) arguments.

In your brain, you know you're a stain.

In your kidney, you know it was FDNY (fidnee).

In your spleen, you know you're just mean.

In your heart, you know you're a fart.

In your skull, you know that you're null.

In your nose, you know you just pose.

In your tummy, you know you're a dummy.

In your bladder, you know you're mad as a hatter.

See, this "in your heart, you know I'm right" kind of argument, Robert Prey, is just ludicrous.

Try harder.
 
000063 said:
Ah. So we're downgraded from "experts" to "serious critics". I expect "concerned citizens" or "the public" next. PDFs scanned from documents don't necessarily create searchable docs, with or without OCR.

Appeal to impossible perfection.

So you lot ask for the certificate, and when it's provided, you say it's a forgery based on "evidence" no credible experts agree with, and ask for the long form. There is nothing to stop you lot from, if you are provided with the evidence requested, declaring all of it faked and demanding even more. This standard of proof is ludicrously high and unjustified.

The Long Form was, in fact, provided. This does not instill me with confidence regarding your research abilities, especially since you are focused, curiously, almost exclusively on the short form.

Don't you mean the lack of travel records?



That's funny. I've been using layers as clipping masks in Adobe Photoshop for the better part of a decade now. And as for Illustrator;
http://helpx.adobe.com/illustrator/using/clipping-masks.html

Speaking as someone who has used both programs, one quite extensively; You. Are. Wrong.



I'm noticing quite a lot of unbacked flat denials here, Bobby. Quite a lot.
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One question at a time, please.
 
Robert Prey said:
And so, your point is?????
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That you have no idea what you're talking about regarding anything in this thread, and neither does anyone else you've cited in your failed attempts to support your utterly incorrect assertions.

Well, except for a single actual expert who nevertheless still completely disagrees with your utterly incorrect assertions.
 
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