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Indeed but that would be ∵Atheism rather than Atheism+

As I read it Atheism+ isn't supposed to be all the opinions an atheist is supposed to have because they're an atheist.

Instead it is a manifesto that includes atheism. I assume the notion is to suggest that these all spring from critical thinking. For which I find I have a certain empathy. It's all very well saying that there's no logical reason why a lack of theistic belief should result in any particular stance on social issues but nonetheless in practice there does appear to be a constituency of like minded godless liberals.

I agree... perhaps atheists are more prone to dislike prejudice (which seems to be the "Plus" in Atheism+) because we don't have a supernatural authority dictating which group(s) of people are immoral? Anyway, if Atheism+ is just a "manifesto that includes atheism," then I guess I don't really have a problem with it; it could probably use a different name, but that's a minor quibble.
 
Unfortunately, in my experience, broken glassware often correlates with the wrong bodily fluids.

ETA: but maybe I've been doing it wrong

Nah--just with the wrong people. ;)

Merton said:
perhaps atheists are more prone to dislike prejudice (which seems to be the "Plus" in Atheism+) because we don't have a supernatural authority dictating which group(s) of people are immoral?
I don't think you can make such a statement. Atheism is too diverse to make ANY broad generalization other than "we don't believe in deities". I've met atheists that are extremely racist.

it could probably use a different name, but that's a minor quibble.
Not really. The name they chose implies, at least to outsiders, that this IS atheism, or at least that the group speaks for all of atheism. It may be wrong, but that's how it will be read. Remember, many of us live in environments where atheism is considered justification for everything from legal discrimination to outright attacks--we're not dealing with honest or even moral opponents much of the time, and some of us are going to want to distance ourselves from this group (it's inevitable in a group as diverse as atheism).
 
Well, yes and no.

I get where you're coming from, and I agree: the absence of an affirmative belief in supernatural deities has nothing on the face of it to do with politics, social justice, or anything else.

However, in the US and in some other countries, political parties, ideology, laws, social mores, and political platforms are largely bound up in religious beliefs. When one lives in a nominally progressive, First World nation which has had a president in recent history who has said "atheists should not be citizens; this is one nation under God" or a political party platform that is largely rationalized on a particular interpretation of a particular holy scripture, it becomes a lot harder to say that "being an atheist" has nothing to do with politics or social ideas.

True, religion informs political opinions because the religious have doctrines to follow, ... but we atheists don't. Our common ground in politics amounts to a message of secularism, which we can accomplish just as well in the loose-knit atheist/skeptic community we've created. I guess I just think that dividing us into atheists, New Atheists, Atheist Pluses, and Atheist 2.0s will detract from our effectiveness in promoting secularism.
 
I don't think you can make such a statement. Atheism is too diverse to make ANY broad generalization other than "we don't believe in deities". I've met atheists that are extremely racist.

Yeah, I kind of figured that (hence the question mark). 'Twas just a thought I had.

Not really. The name they chose implies, at least to outsiders, that this IS atheism, or at least that the group speaks for all of atheism. It may be wrong, but that's how it will be read.

Exactly. I'd say people have a duty to correct their misunderstanding, but the group could easily pick a new name that avoids this confusion altogether, especially since it is in its formative phase.
 
Yeah, I kind of figured that (hence the question mark). 'Twas just a thought I had.

It's the ideal. Sadly, people can make smart choices for very stupid reasons. :/

True, religion informs political opinions because the religious have doctrines to follow, ... but we atheists don't.
Well, let's be clear: individual religions exert great influence on politics, but theism as such doesn't really do much. The problem is that the focus on atheism as a definitive trait is in part what's limiting us. Catholics can exert political influence because they have a broad agreement on issues they consider important, and therefore can bring a lot of political pressure to bear. Theism as such can't do that, and neither can atheism--we're too diverse. In that sense, yeah, I see the point in making groups of atheists focused on spreading particular social norms. It allows us to concentrate our efforts, and to build a solid political block that can actually DO something. Hearding atheists as a whole is like hearding cats, but hearding groups of atheists isn't all that hard.
 
This sound like a plain vanilla social justice movement lead by social justice warriors with an atheist background. It could also have been Catholics +, Vegans +, Jugglers +, or Marathon runners +. After reading endless tweets, and blogs, the number of people who would meet their standards is not likely very big.
 
Syntactically incorrect.

The next level of atheism is "atheism++"

:)

I can see some interesting parallels between Atheism/Atheism+ and C/C++.

C is a minimalistic bare-bones language. It has it's uses, but lacks features of higher-level languages. So Bjarne Stroustrup comes along and decides to create a new language, C++, which is like C but with all the extra stuff the other languages had!

The result? A language whose higher-level features were crippled by a heroic, but doomed attempt to add these features whilst maintaining compatibility with C.

So why did he even try for C compatibility in the first place? Because C was popular! It was the "in thing" at the time. By feigning compatibility with C, C++ was able to ride C's coat-tails, for a short while at least.
 
Why do people follow these blogs? How's this article remotely interesting? Many people from this forum say more interesting things in most of their posts.
 
Yes, let's waste all the time we've put into explaining atheism is just not believing in gods and start calling secular humanism atheism plus.

I mean, let's not.

Atheism Plus... Is that a new, over the counter hemorroid medication.
 
just check the posts under the hashtag #atheismplus for a laugh.

can you separate the parody from the serious?

they've gotten so much grief there, they tried to co-op the #aplus tag, but others are already using it, and THAT was hilarious to read as well when it first started happening.
 
Another FtBlogger heard from...

Richard Carrier has now weighed in, with what amounts to an Atheism+ manifesto: http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/archives/2207/

He makes it abundantly clear that, if you are not willing to declare yourself an Atheist+ forthwith and unreservedly, you are a sexist, racist scumbag lacking in all reason, compassion and integrity. Though he does advocate giving such sorry excuses for humanity (ordinary atheists like me) one chance to repent our sins, telling his A+ readers to "...be empathic enough to assume at first that someone being an ignorant dufus is really just ignorant and misinformed, and not a douchebag; give them at least one shot at being educable, before kicking them into the sewers to wallow with their peeps."

The implication is, of course, that he and his A+ colleagues are the infallible arbiters of reason, compassion, and integrity.

Hmph.
 
I looked at Carrier's blog and one paragraph caught my eye:

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1. We believe in being reasonable. This means, first, that we believe in being logical and rational in forming beliefs and opinions. Which means anyone who makes a fallacious argument and, when shown that they have, does not admit it, is not one of us, and is to be marginalized and kicked out, as not part of our movement, and not anyone we any longer wish to deal with.
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This is very much like the treatment of Jehovah's Witnesses people in disfellowshipping. How can you be disfellowshipped in atheism?
 
Richard Carrier has now weighed in, with what amounts to an Atheism+ manifesto: http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/archives/2207/

He makes it abundantly clear that, if you are not willing to declare yourself an Atheist+ forthwith and unreservedly, you are a sexist, racist scumbag lacking in all reason, compassion and integrity. Though he does advocate giving such sorry excuses for humanity (ordinary atheists like me) one chance to repent our sins, telling his A+ readers to "...be empathic enough to assume at first that someone being an ignorant dufus is really just ignorant and misinformed, and not a douchebag; give them at least one shot at being educable, before kicking them into the sewers to wallow with their peeps."

The implication is, of course, that he and his A+ colleagues are the infallible arbiters of reason, compassion, and integrity.

Hmph.

Holy crap, reading his responses in the comments to critics... :eek: Douchebag, irrational scum, GTFO... He sounds like a Rush Limbaugh / Ayn Rand hate child.
 
Richard Carrier has now weighed in, with what amounts to an Atheism+ manifesto: http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/archives/2207/

He makes it abundantly clear that, if you are not willing to declare yourself an Atheist+ forthwith and unreservedly, you are a sexist, racist scumbag lacking in all reason, compassion and integrity. Though he does advocate giving such sorry excuses for humanity (ordinary atheists like me) one chance to repent our sins, telling his A+ readers to "...be empathic enough to assume at first that someone being an ignorant dufus is really just ignorant and misinformed, and not a douchebag; give them at least one shot at being educable, before kicking them into the sewers to wallow with their peeps."

The implication is, of course, that he and his A+ colleagues are the infallible arbiters of reason, compassion, and integrity.

Hmph.

So, essentially, they have created a new religion, dogma and all, and are now setting down methods of conversion.

Is it too soon to start mocking them? If so, when would be a good time?
 
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