JFK Conspiracy Theories: It Never Ends

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The evidence indicates that if anyone is suffering from a faulty memory, it's Dr. McClelland. His version (that he actually drew the image)...

No. It is you who displays faulty memory. Dr.M made no claim that he drew "the" image. But only that he drew "an" image for J.T. The image that appears in the book may well have not been drawn by Dr.M, but merely copied from his original drawing and reflecting his Warren testimony. Thus, it is accurate to say that the image in the book was dictated by Dr.M. Get the difference????

Nah!
 
. I evaluate arguments, knowledge, intelligence, and reason based on how well they are made manifest. .

But you have no answer for 40 plus on the scene medical witnesses made explicitly manifest by their own documented testimony each independently corroborated by 40 plus others while your medical witnesses so far number zero. Thus, you are reduced to point to some Gallup Poll which you interpret to mean that you have to be of lesser intelligence to believe in a conspiracy. And that is the sum of your evidence. Pathetic.

Interestingly, the Poll actually concluded that "among those with a post-graduate education, 71% believe others were involved in the assassination". So much for your Gallup Poll "evidence".
 
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Interestingly, the Poll actually concluded that "among those with a post-graduate education, 71% believe others were involved in the assassination".

..and they based their decisions on zero evidence whatsoever, apart from the fact that they thought it unlikely that Oswald acted alone.
 
Medical Witness NO. 12. Rickard Brooks Delaney, M.D.

Dr. Richard Delaney

"...he had a large head wound---that was the first thing I noticed." Arlen Specter did not ask him to elaborate and Dulaney did not volunteer any additional details.(WC-V:114).

Dulaney told journalist Ben Bradlee, Jr., "...Somebody lifted up his head and showed me the back of his head. We couldn't see much until they picked up his head. I was standing beside him. The wound was on the back of his head. On the back side" They lifted up the head and "the whole back-side was gone." (Groden R., Livingston, H., High Treason. 1989 New York, Berkley Books, p.460.)
 
Only the strongest possible evidence, a signed copy and accompanying statement. But none are so blind as those who refuse to see.

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So the strongest possible evidence that McClellend drew a picture in 1966, is a different picture and a "statement" made thirty years later?

Not, as most people might expect, the original drawing and documentary evidence of its receipt by the illustrator in 1966.

Robert, how would your "strongest possible evidence" be differentiated from a signed and dated "statement" (or as it is not a legal statement but a "note" shall we call it that?) by the author, artist, or publisher, that the drawing was produced by an illustrator commissioned with out the knowledge or input from McClellend? On what grounds is your note more reliable than theirs?
 
A "simplistic rhetorical pattern"??? You mean like quoting the testimony of 40 plus medical witnesses? Is that too simple for you, professor??

Any number of medical witnesses can be wrong.
Its why we have physical evidence.

They can be misrepresented by people determined to make their statements fit a conclusion. Especially those who are over confident in their own abilities to understand subjects outside of their expertise.

For example, the kind of guy who insists of on where a wound is not, but can not describe where a wound is, in a diagram he himself posts. Or undermines his own reliance on witnesses by giving reasons they can not be expected to discern the details he is hoping to prove, and is willing to change their statements to different later "corrected" claims.


Was there a brain in JFKs head? Were doctors able to identify brain tissues or was a handful of maciated tissue?
 
Dr. Richard Delaney

"...he had a large head wound---that was the first thing I noticed." Arlen Specter did not ask him to elaborate and Dulaney did not volunteer any additional details.(WC-V:114).

Dulaney told journalist Ben Bradlee, Jr., "...Somebody lifted up his head and showed me the back of his head. We couldn't see much until they picked up his head. I was standing beside him. The wound was on the back of his head. On the back side" They lifted up the head and "the whole back-side was gone." (Groden R., Livingston, H., High Treason. 1989 New York, Berkley Books, p.460.)

How does this match with your claim the back of the head was missing?
The witness states that the side of the head was missing at the back.
Like how the side of the head is missing in the rear in the WC illustration you kept posting?

Still only on number 12, yet you said you had refered to the evidence of more than 40.

Shucks perhaps your previous post should have only referenced 12.
 
Only the strongest possible evidence, a signed copy and accompanying statement. But none are so blind as those who refuse to see.

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DNA evidence is generally acknowledged as the "strongest possible" evidence in a criminal prosecution.

Signed statements in most cases aren't even admissable unless the individual in question is available for cross examination.

"It appears to be..." isn't even in the ball park.
 
DNA evidence is generally acknowledged as the "strongest possible" evidence in a criminal prosecution.

Signed statements in most cases aren't even admissable unless the individual in question is available for cross examination.

"It appears to be..." isn't even in the ball park.

In the Court of Public Opinion, a signed statement will do just fine. Certainly superior to hearsay from an absent minded author.
 
In the Court of Public Opinion, a signed statement will do just fine. Certainly superior to hearsay from an absent minded author.

How is written hearsay from an absent minded doctor any different from written hearsay from an absent mided author?

Please describe what makes one more or less compelling than the other?

Oh, and if we are now only concerned with court of public opinion will you please retract all your posts discussing what you thought would or would not happen in an actual court?
 
Obviously, you can't even name one example. Nuff said.

Sure. Let's play this game.
Robert can't name the areas of the skull compromised by the wounds in the WC illustration he posts!
Robert can't tell us which part of Mees CV makes him an expert in forensic photo analysis!
Robert can't tell us what time it is in the photo of the posts.
Robert can't tell us which frames of the Z film have been tampered with, or identify any artefact of tampering in the film.
Robert can't tell me if the role Crenshaw describes in his book is central or not (and if it is, why he claimed "poetic license" had been taken).
Robert can't identify any marks that show signs of image compositing in any autopsy or backyard photos.
Robert can't tell me what validation he has that Kemp ever said "blow out" (and I note hearsay is just fine in that case).
Robert can't tell me why he thinks latent prints in a powder medium are ink prints from a dead body.
Robert can't answer a single question if more than one are asked at once, and wont tell us why.


Gee. There's a lot Robert wont say in this debate. Enough said?
 
But you have no answer for 40 plus on the scene medical witnesses...

I evaluate your handling of that testimony. As I've belabored, you cannot distinguish between evidence and your interpretation of evidence. This is a common intellectual failing of conspiracy theorists.

Thus, you are reduced to point to some Gallup Poll...

No, you brought up polls. Only you brought them up as an irrelevant response to questions about the strength of your reasoning.

which you interpret to mean that you have to be of lesser intelligence to believe in a conspiracy.

No. Once again you have to put words in my mouth. The correlation was between educational attainment (not intelligence) and propensity to believe in a conspiracy. And it was not an interpretation on my part, but a stated finding of Gallup.

And that is the sum of your evidence.

You have the burden of proof.

Interestingly, the Poll actually concluded that "among those with a post-graduate education, 71% believe others were involved in the assassination". So much for your Gallup Poll "evidence".

But among those with lesser educational attainment, a higher percentage was reported. Thus the correlation holds.
 
I only have two arguments. Actually, only one that I deliberate about (the Odio Incident implies conspiracy but needs no deliberation) -- That one being the fatal shot coming from the front. And there are thousands, no, millions who support that view...
No, no, you need to write it like this: meeellions. And try adding a Vincent Price-like cackle for extra flair.
 
Name just one Med. Witness quote that doesn't mean what it means?????

The challenge is to name a medical witness whose quote doesn't mean what you say it means. This has been done many times, but you have simply denied or ignored the rebuttal. As I've said before, conspiracy theorists often cannot distinguish when they are applying an interpretive finish to a witness statement or document. You definitely appear to exhibit this trait; you seem unable or unwilling to think of different things a statement may mean.

For example, we've already belabored your chronic misunderstanding of cranial anatomy and subsequently the geography of the skull referred to by your witnesses. This would seem to be crucial since the location of the wound is a key bit of evidence.
 
Predictable. I didn't think you could explain and you haven't and can't. But I'll give you one more chance. Name just one Med. Witness quote that doesn't mean what it means?????
Wait, don't you have a few questions others have posted waiting for you to answer? It'd be ever so kind of you to direct your attention there before asking questions of others, wouldn't you agree?

Love,

RK
 
Yeah, well you guys all seem to Sieg Heil to the same propaganda.

Godwin's Law. This is the closest we'll ever get to a retraction and apology from you, Robert. You admit your error, yet choose to do so in an odious and insulting way. But it is your error. You mischaracterized the argument against you and misattributed it. And based on those egregious errors of reading comprehension, you tried to accuse others of changing the subject. These are glaring mistakes everyone can see. You could have been gracious and saved face, but instead you have chosen childish name-calling and further entrenchment.

This is a running gag with you. You cannot address your critics; you have to rewrite their arguments as ludicrous parodies of what actually was said. You have to put your outrageous words into your critics' mouths. Then and only then do they become demonized enough in your eyes to dismiss them with your signature bluster.

I think it's cute that you believe this tactic works. Among all those who reported in polls that they consider it possible someone else besides Oswald was involved, do you think that belief arose because you called the opposing view Nazi propaganda?

But you used the word "nonsense". Your post: " Nobody could possibly believe the nonsense he's posting and he knows that."

Yes, there is a concerted opinion here that what you're posting is nonsense. "What you're posting" refers to your arguments in favor of some particular conspiracy theory, not merely a statement of vague disbelief as is referenced in the various polls you've cited. Hence the poll results do not apply to your nonsense.

All I"ve basically done is to refer to the testimony of 40 plus on the scene medical witnesses. Is that what you refer to as "nonsense"?? Explain.

No, you've alluded to far more than just alleged medical testimony. I'm still waiting for you to substantiate your claim to Brian Mee's expertise -- but we all know you're desperately trying to let that slip under the rug. You've tried to discuss photographic evidence, but you simply can't hold up against knowledgeable critics. Your photographic claims are nonsense, and the pseudo-experts you've cited in support of your claim similarly spout nonsense.

You have not simply "referred" to medical testimony; you've insinuated that it supports your claim of a fatal shot from the front. In many cases it's patently nonsense because the witnesses themselves don't believe their testimony supports that finding. In other cases you've applied your intuitive interpretation to the witness statement, which interpretation is later shown to be nonsense. And when the reliability or accuracy of a witness is questioned, you don't address the merit of the disputation. Instead you launch invective at your critics for the mere act of examining the witness! That tactic is clearly nonsense; you have no clue how eyewitness testimony is considered by responsible researchers and authors.
 
Obviously, you can't even name one example. Nuff said.

His point was that it has been done on numerous occasions already, and you're demonstrably indifferent to it. Hence your request now to do it again is mere posturing. If you were truly interested in rebuttals to the eyewitness evidence, you'd deal with those already on the table. Hence your tactic is revealed here as mere wheel-spinning.
 
Robert, I asked you this several months and about 90 pages ago, but I'll ask it again; do you honestly believe any sane person following this thread believes any of your nonsense?
 
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