A Question for Conspiracy Theorists.

[timhau]

Note the lack of challenge for the 'inconsequential' part of 'easy and inconsequential'.

 

[Natan]

Note the lack of challenge for the 'inconsequential' part of 'easy and inconsequential'.

That sure proves your point that I am inconsequential. This is a non sequitur, inconsequential in itself. Quite funny, maybe you should get the Stundie.

 

[Navigator]

To return to the OP, I know a few conspiracy theorists and the nearest any of them have come to doing anything other than circulate videos on social networking sites is having a cupboard full of tinned food (he believes some kind of societal collapse is imminent). The majority of conspiracy theorists seem perfectly happy merely to engage in a neverending quest to 'wake the sheeple' to overthrow their imaginary enemy. Perhaps belief in conspiracy theories alone is enough to act as an outlet for their dissatisfaction with the world.

I know there are CT believers out there that actually go out and do something. They do the OWS thing, they sit in front of government buildings or on street corners with signs, they go to WTC7 protests or put together petitions.

I have yet to see any of these actions move the needle one iota. Of course, since all have generally been based on jumping to conclusions and "connecting the dots", they haven't the gravitas to make "critical mass" and create real change.

I think that the reason CT is so popular has to do with the dispossessed.

A couple of nights ago I saw an interview with a ‘Bob Jones’ who was brought up in a poor neighbourhood but is now one of the richest individuals in his little country.

During the interview Bob said that it is the fault of the poor that they are poor because they did not try to change their outlook on life and work hard and to get rich and get rich…basically this was his hard nosed line on the subject of poor people.

Some people would argue that this is the attitude of those in power behind the scenes pulling the stings and levers to shape the world in the direction it is going.

I think this type of thinking is the basis for the CTs regarding the PTB – the hidden few who have the most $$.

There is no denying that ‘they who have the gold make the rules’ at any level of society but it is not exactly a conspiracy. Most people know this to be the case and whether they like it or not, they carry on with their lives.

So we have various systems which can organise large groups of people but we have no system which can organise large groups of people to do something about what they see is wrong.

I remember when the ‘Occupy’ movement first made headlines and some Wall Street suit smirking and condescending asked ‘where is your plan? – You demand change – but where is your plan.’

I think the confusion with people who believe there is a conspiracy which involves taking over the whole planet by what amounts to a hand full of individuals is that it isn’t really a conspiracy at all – it is simply something that has been working to that agenda since Ancient times, has always been in the seat of power and the ‘people’ simply were to preoccupied with their own personal little dramas and conspiracies to actually notice the bigger picture and if they start to notice, it takes on the look of a conspiracy, but it isn’t.

It is right there in your face and always has been.

 

[CORed]

If you believe that conspiracy is truly what is going on, what are you as individuals doing about it in the sense of coming up with a plan of action which will thwart the ultimate goals of these power mongers?

Thank You.

Post lots of youtube videos.

 

[timhau]

Post lots of youtube videos.

And what good is that going to do, if you don't spam internet forums with links to them?

 

[LSSBB]

Post lots of youtube videos.

Better: make lots of money and become powerful like them, so you can fight for the little guy. Or is that plan B if the Youtube doesn't work?

 

[100]

Better: make lots of money and become powerful like them, so you can fight for the little guy. Or is that plan B if the Youtube doesn't work?

I think plan B is where they write "Breaking:" in front of the title.

 

[cecil1]

If you believe that conspiracy is truly what is going on, what are you as individuals doing about it in the sense of coming up with a plan of action which will thwart the ultimate goals of these power mongers?

Thank You.

I do not believe a conspiracy is going on, but I happen to take this particular stance when it comes to the happenings in this world.

Question: Society’s chaos and disorder frighten me. Shouldn’t we all band together to bring some sense to this warring world?
Answer: Saving the world and helping other people is one of the biggest hoaxes ever perpetrated on unsuspecting mankind. It took an awakened and highly evolved human being, Vernon Howard, to expose this gigantic falsehood to deluded humanity. Darkness knows it can tempt almost all lost souls who are searching for a way out to take this detour because:
1) it provides an easy escape from seeing our own wrong nature and 2) we then forget our real purpose in life — to find the way back home. Banding together with other lost people always places us in a dangerous position, for the masses are mad and can never think correctly and logically. They tempt you to take sides, to adopt a viewpoint and to fight an enemy. Of course, you are now “right” and they are “wrong”. You have found an identity as a “good” person and they are labeled as the “bad” people. As Vernon said (on MP3 CD, Volume 8, Talk 11), “You’re depending on enemy forces for you to feel angelic.” You’ve lost yourself in a cause, added yet another identity to the shaky false self and are farther than ever away from finding your true and real self. Don’t go there! Don’t go with them. Walk away and start heading toward home.

Another point of clarity is with this.

'Whenever I see opposing sides on any social or political issueI never know which side to take.'
'There is something far greater for you to know. It is the existenceof a third position which takes no sides at all, for it is above human conflict. It is like standing on a hilltop and watching two battling armies. Such an observer does not contribute to the wounding of others.'"
There is a Way Out, p. 142

 

[Horatius]

"Such an observer does not contribute to the wounding of others.'"

"...but they do often get hit by stray rounds...."

 

[cecil1]

"...but they do often get hit by stray rounds...."

Perhaps if a soldier was personally angered would shoot at the observer, but the observer doesn't contribute to the continued fighting. That's one less violent/disturbed soul.

 

[uke2se]

Question: Society’s chaos and disorder frighten me. Shouldn’t we all band together to bring some sense to this warring world?
Answer: Saving the world and helping other people is one of the biggest hoaxes ever perpetrated on unsuspecting mankind.

What? Saving the world is a hoax? I don't even think that's grammatically possible.

It took an awakened and highly evolved human being, Vernon Howard, to expose this gigantic falsehood to deluded humanity.

I'm equally awakened and equally highly evolved as Vernon Howard. I can guarantee you that. So are you, by the way.

Darkness knows it can tempt almost all lost souls who are searching for a way out to take this detour because:

Who is this "Darkness"? Names, please.

1) it provides an easy escape from seeing our own wrong nature and 2) we then forget our real purpose in life — to find the way back home.

I am home. I don't have to find my way there. I'd say most of the people currently posting here are home. Possibly at work.

Banding together with other lost people always places us in a dangerous position, for the masses are mad and can never think correctly and logically.

Masses don't think. Individuals do. Humanity has no hive-mind.

They tempt you to take sides, to adopt a viewpoint and to fight an enemy.

They? The masses?

Sometimes it's good to take sides. For example, I take the side of rationality over woo.

Of course, you are now “right” and they are “wrong”.

Depends on who you mean by "they". By the way, you don't have to put scare-quotes around right and wrong. Those concepts are real.

You have found an identity as a “good” person and they are labeled as the “bad” people. As Vernon said (on MP3 CD, Volume 8, Talk 11), “You’re depending on enemy forces for you to feel angelic.” You’ve lost yourself in a cause, added yet another identity to the shaky false self and are farther than ever away from finding your true and real self. Don’t go there! Don’t go with them. Walk away and start heading toward home.

Them, they... Who are they? Voices in your head?

Another point of clarity is with this.

'Whenever I see opposing sides on any social or political issueI never know which side to take.'
'There is something far greater for you to know. It is the existenceof a third position which takes no sides at all, for it is above human conflict. It is like standing on a hilltop and watching two battling armies. Such an observer does not contribute to the wounding of others.'"
There is a Way Out, p. 142

We usually call those people intellectual cowards.

 

[dudalb]

I'm equally awakened and equally highly evolved as Vernon Howard. I can guarantee you that. So are you, by the way.

Hell, I think I am more awakened and highly evolved then Howard, since I do not buy into The New Age woo he fervently believed.

 

[cecil1]

What? Saving the world is a hoax? I don't even think that's grammatically possible.

Yes it is.

I'm equally awakened and equally highly evolved as Vernon Howard. I can guarantee you that. So are you, by the way.

I disagree, Vernon Howards New Life foundation teaches love and I doubt you have the ability to do so. (You cannot teach something you do not know) If you meant we are both as equals in essence then I would agree but as highly evolved? No, you and many others as well as I have much work to do, some more than others

Who is this "Darkness"? Names, please.

The darkness is attributed to a lack of knowledge of self. This is what I gather from researching his works, Vernon elaborates further but you would have to research his material.

I am home. I don't have to find my way there. I'd say most of the people currently posting here are home. Possibly at work.

From researching Vernons works he speaks of home as in your personal happy place, a simple self-contentment not to be confused with ego-excitement.

Masses don't think. Individuals do. Humanity has no hive-mind.

Individuals in a mob tend to forget good reason and follow the mob. Riots are a great example.

They? The masses?

Sometimes it's good to take sides. For example, I take the side of rationality over woo.

I don't think you took that in the correct context. Do you think the word 'they' in that sentence meant rationality and woo itself? It looks to me as if it was referring to the masses of people.

Depends on who you mean by "they". By the way, you don't have to put scare-quotes around right and wrong. Those concepts are real.

I didn't put the quotes on myself I peeled it off a faq list. But I agree with the quotes because people do think in concepts of right and wrong as if they were black and white, and usually people cannot handle an observer on the sidelines who refuses to get involved with the fighting so become targets themselves due to the demands and irrationalities of the masses not being met by the observer.

Them, they... Who are they? Voices in your head?

Them or they refers to someone other than you.

We usually call those people intellectual cowards.

Ahh so your one of the angry masses who cannot handle an observer who refuses to get involved with your fighting.

 

[BaldSeagull]

If you believe that conspiracy is truly what is going on, what are you as individuals doing about it in the sense of coming up with a plan of action which will thwart the ultimate goals of these power mongers?

Thank You.

I've just been reading some Olympics conspiracies on the David Icke forum.

There are people who have been predicting everything and anything happening at the Olympics, from a nuclear bomb to deadly viruses and mass shootings. There is also an incredible amount of stuff about the "symbolism" of the opening ceremony, so much and so contradictory, you could vomit after reading it for a while.

Many are actually slapping themselves on the back, claiming that because they have brought "awareness" of all this to the attention of so many people, they have thwarted some fiendish plot.

Of course, when dates come and go and their predictions are (predictably) proved wrong, they move the goalposts.

Seriously.

 

[1337m4n]

The smug condescension oozes from your post. Serious question: what makes you think it is easy?

The fact that I set one up just now. It's at http://simon666isafunnyguy.blogspot.com. It took my all of 6 minutes.

 

[Tomtomkent]

I didn't put the quotes on myself I peeled it off a faq list.
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Them or they refers to someone other than you.

Right so you breached the MA by spamming material from elsewhere (and presented it as your own) and helpfully point out "they" are somebody other than uke, with out answering Ukes question of whom specifically you meant when you said "they".


See we know "they" means somebody. I too would like to know the name of the person youwere attributing characteristics to when you said "they".

 

[MRC_Hans]

The fact that I set one up just now. It's at http://simon666isafunnyguy.blogspot.com. It took my all of 6 minutes.

That's nice, but it doesn't allow you to post unless you register somewhere.

Hans

 

[Natan]

The fact that I set one up just now. It's at http://simon666isafunnyguy.blogspot.com. It took my all of 6 minutes.

Strawman. I didn't say the actual setting up part was easy. Filling it up with content is. Thank you for proving my point at that.

 

[Natan]

That's nice, but it doesn't allow you to post unless you register somewhere.

Your first complaint 1337m4n. I guess it ain't that easy after all. LMAO.

 

[timhau]

Strawman. I didn't say the actual setting up part was easy. Filling it up with content is.

... so you keep fighting the NWO by thinking about it?