Scientology abandoned by Hubbard's granddaughter & Miscavige's father

tsig said:
So you're claiming that you know Scientology is true because it has worked for you?
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Justinian2 said:
If we go to a movie, do we need a science to tell us that we should like it?

Most things we make up our own mind for.

What I was asking is what credentials do any of you have for telling another what theraphy is best for them?

Were you great students?
Were you great parents?
Are you an award winning teacher or psychiatrist?

What are your credentials?

Why do some of you think your mere opinion should influence someone as to how he should think? What are your qualifications. I know medical doctors from great universities that aren't so arrogant.
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What qualifications did LRH have? What credentials?

Do you consider yourself a typical example of Scientology?
 
Justinian2 said:
If we go to a movie, do we need a science to tell us that we should like it?

Most things we make up our own mind for.

What I was asking is what credentials do any of you have for telling another what theraphy is best for them?
Were you great students?
Were you great parents?
Are you an award winning teacher or psychiatrist?

What are your credentials?

Why do some of you think your mere opinion should influence someone as to how he should think? What are your qualifications. I know medical doctors from great universities that aren't so arrogant.
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Do try and keep up Justinian. It's been established that $cientoloy is no kind of therapy. It's a cult founded on pseudoscience and the ravings of pill-popping, drunken lunatic. I repeat, it is not therapy. Unless you count conning people out of their hard earned cash as therapy.

By the way, can you tell us about Xenu and the Galactic Federation? The volcanoes and H-bombs?
 
Justinian2 said:
tsig said:
So you're claiming that you know Scientology is true because it has worked for you?
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If we go to a movie, do we need a science to tell us that we should like it?

Most things we make up our own mind for.

What I was asking is what credentials do any of you have for telling another what theraphy is best for them?

Were you great students?
Were you great parents?
Are you an award winning teacher or psychiatrist?

What are your credentials?

Why do some of you think your mere opinion should influence someone as to how he should think? What are your qualifications. I know medical doctors from great universities that aren't so arrogant.
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Justinian, see if you can forget you are a Scientology robot and answer a damned question directly.

You are supposed to be "clear"? You are coming across like an automaton, programmed to avoid any kind of honest discussion.
 
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dafydd said:
"Scientology...is not a religion." - L. Ron Hubbard, CREATION OF HUMAN ABILITY, 1954, p. 251
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Hahahahaha! OMG, that's just way too funny. Real life beating fiction!

This religion/non-religion ran the largest covert infiltration of the U.S. government in history. It was called Operation Snow White, and they had up to 5,000 Scientologists infiltrate the IRS and over a hundred other agencies.

Hubbard's wife went to prison over that, along with about a dozen other high-level conspirators and he had to console himself with the Sea Org girls in hot pants. The footsoldiers were charged with felonies too - like destroying government documents, altering others - if they had been successful then Hubbard's Navy record would have been successfully re-written.

He was named as an unidicted co-conspirator, but he was clever enough to cover his own tracks and throw his wife under the bus. Then he went into hiding.
 
Justinian2 said:
What I was asking is what credentials do any of you have for telling another what theraphy is best for them?
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Nobody has the right to tell you your religion. But a religion can't be a criminal enterprise.

Through Operation Snow White and related illegal efforts, Scientology "negotiated" a deal with the IRS that applies to no other religion: tax deductability of Scientology "education and training" expenses.

It's shocking what they did to achieve this, a summary here:


http://http://newsjunkiepost.com/2010/03/14/bribery-blackmail-coercion-scientology-and-the-irs/

As reported by Hubbard’s son; “My father and I created a ‘religious front’ only for tax purposes and legal protection ‘from fraud Claims’. We almost always told nearly everyone that Scientology was really science, not a religion, but that the religious front was created to deal with the government.” — Ronald DeWolf a.k.a. L. Ron Hubbard, Jr. (son of L. Ron Hubbard), Affidavit in Schaick v. Church of Scientology, US District Court Mass., No. 79-2491 (20)
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This is the co-founder of the Scientology "religion" proclaiming in court proceedings it was done for both tax fraud and a shield against civil fraud.


Your church bugged government offices, stole files, harassed people with multimillion dollar lawsuits, put private detectives on them to intimidate, bribed the compliant - and it appears to have worked the way extortion/graft normally does when practiced by the mob. Taxpayers in the USA subsidize Scientology like no other religion. It is an internal IRS policy, not something our supreme court has ever been asked to look at.

France convicted Scientology of Fraud and fined them. Way to go France. Its interesting how a criminal enterprise has gotten away with so much in the US.
 
He gave orders to his wife verbally and had her brief him verbally. That way the feds couldn't build a case against him unless she flipped (she didn't). That's how mob bosses operate. LRon was one of the most successful criminals of the 20th century.

As a reward for her loyalty, LRon had David Miscavige kick her out of Scientology. Or maybe Miscavige took it upon himself. I'm not sure if is clear.
 
Justinian2 said:
...It's plausible to me we're part of a simulation run over and over in order to exactly re-create a moment in the past. When we die, we get stored in memory and run again with a small tweak. While not Scientology dogma, this idea does not conflict with Scientology dogma as far as I know.
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Freewheeling again, Justinian?
Is leucemia caused by engrams?
Can it be cured with E-meters?


Justinian2 said:
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Why do some of you think your mere opinion should influence someone as to how he should think? What are your qualifications. I know medical doctors from great universities that aren't so arrogant.
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An interesting strawman, Justinian.
Lots of facts have been posted here, not just opinions.
Tell about how leukemia is caused by engrams.

dafydd said:
..."Leukaemia is evidently psychosomatic in origin and at least eight cases of leukaemia had been treated successfully by Dianetics after medicine had traditionally given up. The source of leukaemia has been reported to be an engram containing the phrase 'It turns my blood to water.'" - L. Ron Hubbard, "Journal of Scientology," Issue 15-G, 1953
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pakeha said:
Freewheeling again, Justinian?
Is leucemia caused by engrams?
Can it be cured with E-meters?




An interesting strawman, Justinian.
Lots of facts have been posted here, not just opinions.
Tell about how leukemia is caused by engrams.
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And answers came there none. If he's trying to discredit $cientology then he is doing a first class job.
 
Originally Posted by Justinian2:
If we go to a movie, do we need a science to tell us that we should like it?

Most things we make up our own mind for.

What I was asking is what credentials do any of you have for telling another what theraphy is best for them? Were you great students? Were you great parents? Are you an award winning teacher or psychiatrist? What are your credentials?Why do some of you think your mere opinion should influence someone as to how he should think? What are your qualifications. I know medical doctors from great universities that aren't so arrogant.
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Your reply:
Stop being so arrogant and answer these questions.

What credentials do you have?

Where is the scientific evidence for this?

"Leukaemia is evidently psychosomatic in origin and at least eight cases of leukaemia had been treated successfully by Dianetics after medicine had traditionally given up. The source of leukaemia has been reported to be an engram containing the phrase 'It turns my blood to water.'" - L. Ron Hubbard, "Journal of Scientology," Issue 15-G, 1953
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Your answer is that you have no credentials of any type whatsoever.
 
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