Scientology abandoned by Hubbard's granddaughter & Miscavige's father

Justinian2 said:
That's a very broad topic. It's like saying democracy, free trade and capitalism are good.
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No it isn't like saying that. Please answer the question. Do you believe Christianity, Judaism and Islam are all correct about the divinity, or lack there of of Jesus, yes or no?
 
shuttlt said:
No it isn't like saying that. Please answer the question. Do you believe Christianity, Judaism and Islam are all correct about the divinity, or lack there of of Jesus, yes or no?
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I think it's nearly impossible for a Scientologist to give a direct answer. It's almost ingrained in them not to.
 
Justinian2 said:
Why does anybody here think they are qualified to give any advice about therapy and religion?

Bullies think they can give advice, but all who know them know they have no qualifications. Bullies don't care if they are qualified or not. Bullies provoke a negative response and then use the reaction to their provocation to justify their actions.

I'm not calling any of you bullies. I'm just saying that some people don't care if they are qualified or not.

1) Are you qualified?
2) Do you care if you're qualified or not?
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What like Hubbard who called himself a physicist but failed the only physics class he ever took?


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Can you direct me to the scientific journals in which the papers which test the claims made in Dianetics were published, please?
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Still waiting for an answer.
 
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shuttlt said:
No it isn't like saying that. Please answer the question. Do you believe Christianity, Judaism and Islam are all correct about the divinity, or lack there of of Jesus, yes or no?
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Jellyfish time! I believe that not answering awkward questions is part of the $cientologists modus operandi, Honest Ron probably wrote about it somewhere in his reams of nonsense.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
1) No.
2) Very much so.

To help me to become qualified, I would greatly appreciate it if you could direct me towards the scientific journals in which the papers which test the claims made in Dianetics were published.
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Maybe there are valid scientific studies. Maybe there are not. I don't care. What matters to me is that what Hubbard says correlates with what I know to be scientifically valid. I know that depression lowers the ability of the immune system to fight infection, that hypnotic suggestions can cause physical manifestations in the body and that conversion disorders can cause numbness, blindness, paralysis, or fits, but without a neurological cause.

If you test drive a new car and trust a brand, you buy the car with the hope that it will be a good car. New cars don't have scientific journals in which the papers test the claims made. Eventually Consumer guide gets some handle on the worth of a car, assuming they aren't paid off by the auto manufacturer.
 
Justinian2 said:
Maybe there are valid scientific studies. Maybe there are not. I don't care. What matters to me is that what Hubbard says correlates with what I know to be scientifically valid.
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How? Where are the studies? How can you know if it scientifically valid if no studies have been done? This is just blind faith and confirmation bias. You still have to comment on the fact that Dianetics is based on a lie about Honest Ron's war wounds.
 
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Justinian2 said:
Maybe there are valid scientific studies. Maybe there are not. I don't care. What matters to me is that what Hubbard says correlates with what I know to be scientifically valid. I know that depression lowers the ability of the immune system to fight infection, that hypnotic suggestions can cause physical manifestations in the body and that conversion disorders can cause numbness, blindness, paralysis, or fits, but without a neurological cause.
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This reasoning only works for believers.

Justinian2 said:
If you test drive a new car and trust a brand, you buy the car with the hope that it will be a good car. New cars don't have scientific journals in which the papers test the claims made. Eventually Consumer guide gets some handle on the worth of a car, assuming they aren't paid off by the auto manufacturer.
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Cars are put through numerous tests, many of them mandated by law. The specific claims made about the cars in adverts have to be supported by evidence or they are not allowed to make them. Insurance companies will certainly be aware of the relative failure rates of various cars. These things are measurable and quantifiable.

Now please answer the question. Do you believe Christianity, Judaism and Islam are all correct about the divinity, or lack there of of Jesus, yes or no?
 
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I don't care if there are scientific studies to back the scientific claims of my God, LRon, because I just know they are true.

:dl:
 
Justinian2 said:
With regard to #1, telling how your children turned out is worth something. I assume none of them are famous mass murderers or serial killers?
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What? These attempts at derailing the thread are becoming tiresome. What about Honest Ron's absurd claims about his war record? I can understand why you won't discuss it, but that lies at the heart of why $cientology is a fantasy and a scam.
 
The Dark Lord said:
I don't care if there are scientific studies to back the scientific claims of my God, LRon, because I just know they are true.

:dl:
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There is not enough room here for all the laughing dogs needed to answer that remark of Justinian's.
 
pakeha said:
Gosh.
It seems my previous post was spot on!



So.
About the E-meters.
And the iCans.
Just how do iCans work?
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If iCan do it, it gets done, if iCan't it won't.

This is MEST power.
 
Justinian2 said:
Why does anybody here think they are qualified to give any advice about therapy and religion?

Bullies think they can give advice, but all who know them know they have no qualifications. Bullies don't care if they are qualified or not. Bullies provoke a negative response and then use the reaction to their provocation to justify their actions.
I'm not calling any of you bullies. I'm just saying that some people don't care if they are qualified or not.

1) Are you qualified?
2) Do you care if you're qualified or not?
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You're coming down pretty hard on LRH.
 
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