Scientology abandoned by Hubbard's granddaughter & Miscavige's father

Justinian2 said:
Your postulate is that it is a coincidence.
Your postulate is that postulates don't work.

My postulate is that you will think my postulates happened by coincidence.
My postulate is that you will think my postulates have a natural explaination.
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That's because they do have an natural explanation. (Not ''explaination'') Don't your postulates include spelling?
 
Justinian2 said:
Your postulate is that it is a coincidence.
Your postulate is that postulates don't work.

My postulate is that you will think my postulates happened by coincidence.
My postulate is that you will think my postulates have a natural explaination.

So, in a way, we both postulate that your 'third eye' remains blind.
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You ascertain that L. Ron Hubbard discovered a great pathway for you to follow your life by, with nothing but anecdotal evidence.

I ascertain, through his own written words, that he lied about the very premise of which he devised said pathway. "It works because I healed my own war wounds."

So, in a way, we both ascertain that you follow the works of a proven liar and charlatan.

Hey, fun game.
 
Justinian2 said:
Your postulate is that it is a coincidence.
Your postulate is that postulates don't work.

My postulate is that you will think my postulates happened by coincidence.
My postulate is that you will think my postulates have a natural explaination.

So, in a way, we both postulate that your 'third eye' remains blind.
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What's next? Chakras, astral bodies and kundalini?
 
I've been trying find out which level of $cientology gives you the power of correct spelling. Can anyone help?
 
Justinian2 said:
Your postulate is that it is a coincidence.
Your postulate is that postulates don't work.

My postulate is that you will think my postulates happened by coincidence.
My postulate is that you will think my postulates have a natural explaination.

So, in a way, we both postulate that your 'third eye' remains blind.
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You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

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There is an MU on Aisle 5. Word clearing on Aisle 5, please.
 
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dafydd said:
Yes. That's why it is total codswallop.
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That's the mystifying thing about trying to retain the "merits" of Scientology while distancing yourself from L. Ron Hubbard or in his case Miscavige. The entire core of it is science fiction, written by a science fiction novelist, flying high on booze/drugs. There isn't any merit to begin with.
 
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I suggest that there should be some sort of of check list on the forum so that the people with fantasy claims can tell us which forms of woo they don't believe in. It would save a lot of time
 
AlaskaBushPilot said:
That's the mystifying thing about trying to retain the "merits" of Scientology while distancing yourself from L. Ron Hubbard or in his case Miscavige. The entire core of it is science fiction, written by a science fiction novelist, flying high on booze/drugs. There isn't any merit to begin with.
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What we keep getting is a "it just works" kind of argument. You can apparently ignore all the nonsense surrounding the Church in general and LRH (and by extension, Miscavige) in particular, because the "tech" actually does all the magic things they claim. It seems that even though LRon was a major league fantasist and con-man, he just happened to trip over "the one true path" on his way to fame and fortune. Compared to that, the Xenu story sounds down right plausible.
 
Myriad said:
Those are the only explanations you can think of? Either your OT superpowers went off half-cocked, or it was only coincidence?

Did the possibility not even occur to you that you just bought a crappy car? That ordinary material cause and effect, rather than supernatural phenomena (Buick thetans?), or no discernable cause at all, made your Buick break down?

Oh, and:




It appears Ford's advertising agencies have achieved more control over your consciousness than you have. (Hearing slogans repeated over and over again can have that effect on people, if they haven't been trained to resist it.) Auditor to Aisle 3 for clean-up, stat!

Respectfully,
Myriad
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That was an 'interesting' analysis of an anecdotal story.

Sometimes humorous, anecdotes are not jokes, because their primary purpose is not simply to evoke laughter, but to reveal a truth more general than the brief tale itself, or to delineate a character trait in such a light that it strikes in a flash of insight to its very essence.
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I forget who posted the complete Xenu story with the volcanos and nuclear bombs, the 90-planet federation, etc.

If I remember correctly the reason why Hubbard came up with that was specifically to imbue what began as a medical device fraud with a religious patina so that he could have both tax-exempt status along with a very clever defense of e-meter medical fraud.

You proclaim the e-meter is based on religious beliefs, the Xenu and all. Hubbards defense of the e-meter is that it has no medical purpose. It has a religious purpose. Just like preachers can say the wine is the Blood of Christ and the bread is the body of Christ, the e-meter is some religious artifact in a religious service.

So we have a fundamental deception going on here with our proponents claiming the e-meter "works". It's the medical device fraud problem that Ron faced. Why don't they want to come out with Xenu and the intergallactic battle tens of millions of years ago etc? Because that is just the fraud used against the federal government in order to escape the liability for what they're doing now: claiming the e-meter works as a medical device.

The very name "Scientology" capitalizes on that deception: pretending it is science-based instead of religiously based.
 
dafydd said:
The name is the funniest thing about the whole scam. The cult is the very antithesis of science.
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I think you were the one who posted the complete Xenu story and I forgot to explicitly say thanks.

Because Xenu is L. Ron Hubbard's basis for the e-meter. That is the very last thing these Scientologists want to admit to.
 
AlaskaBushPilot said:
I think you were the one who posted the complete Xenu story and I forgot to explicitly say thanks.

Because Xenu is L. Ron Hubbard's basis for the e-meter. That is the very last thing these Scientologists want to admit to.
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No,it wasn't me. Refusing to talk about Xenu is one of the reasons why Avalon is not being entirely frank with us.
 
AlaskaBushPilot, I see what you mean about the Scientologists being between a rock and a hard place when trying to justify the use of the E-meter.

In 1979 in Sweden, a court forbade calling the E-meter an invaluable aid to measuring man's mental state and changes in it in an advertisement. The prohibition was upheld by the European Commission of Human Rights in case X. and Church of Scientology v. Sweden.

In October 2009, a three-judge panel at the Correctional Court in Paris, France convicted the church and six of its members of organized fraud. The Court's decision followed a three week trial, where two plaintiffs alleged they were defrauded by the organization. The focus of the plaintiff's complaint was on the use of an E-Meter by Scientologists. The plaintiffs alleged that, after using the device, they were encouraged to pay for vitamins and books and claimed that amounted to fraud. The Court agreed.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-meter
 
hgc said:
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

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Maybe Justinian knows something you do not know?
 
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