Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

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CORed said:
To expand on what Jay said, Sheriff is most commonly an elected office, and some remarkably unqualified people (Joe Arpaio being a prime example) sometimes manage to get themselves elected.
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Indeed, because while the sheriff himself is an elected official, the deputies are most often career law-enforcement officers with suitable training, experience, and ethics. Sheriffs come and go, but the deputies stay the same. Hence the sheriff can be elected simply on the basis of his leadership and administrative experience, not whether he knows anything about investigating crimes or enforcing the law.

Most people in county jails have been charged with a crime, and are being held in the jail until they make bail, or until their trial date if they can't make bail. So as Jay pointed out, what Sheriff Joe is so proud of is punishing people who may well be guilty of some crime, but who have not yet been convicted...
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Thanks; I was going to make this point if no one else did. While some jails segregate pre-trail inmates from inmates serving a sentence, not all do. Either way, promoting an image of "toughness" based mostly on brutalizing defenseless people is pretty cheap.

Apparently Sheriff Joe doesn't buy that "innocent until proven guilty" nonsense.
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Hence why he's being charged and made to stand trial himself. As I said -- not the kind of guy you want to cite as the authority for your legal interpretation.

CORed said:
...the sheriff's department is in charge of the jails and also handles evictions and serving of summonses and subpoenas for criminal cases.
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That's the classic sheriff's role. A landlord wins an eviction by having a judge declare the tenant in breach of the lease, but it is the sheriff who subsequently executes the eviction, removing the tenant and his belongings by force if necessary.
 
More birther fun

A Juneau man is still trying to get President Barack Obama to produce documents showing that he’s qualified to appear as a candidate on the November general election ballot. This time, he’s filed a lawsuit to force the state Division of Elections to produce the documents.

Gordon Warren Epperly earlier this year filed an objection with the Division because he believed that Obama, as a child of a mixed marriage, did not have the political right to hold federal office. Epperly says that the “purported” ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment only allowed for civil rights for those that he calls Negros or Mulattos. The Division turned down the challenge, saying that they do not have jurisdiction or governance over selection of national candidates.

Epperly is acting as his own attorney and has now filed suit in Juneau Superior Court in what may be the first claim of presidential eligibility ever litigated in Alaska. Epperly says Obama’s status as a citizen is unknown and he was unlawfully inaugurated as President of the United States. Epperly claims that, by assuming office, Obama has committed the crime of advocating the overthrow of the United States government. Epperly also questions the qualifications of Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi to run for federal office. Pelosi, Epperly believes, has no inherent right of birth as a citizen because she is a woman.
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http://www.ktoonews.org/2012/07/25/juneau-man-sues-for-presidents-birth-records/
 
Did I miss the bit in the Constitution that said women were not citizens?
 
Travis said:
Did I miss the bit in the Constitution that said women were not citizens?
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Well initially they couldn't just white males could, they got the vote later - I'm sure Mr. E sees those later amendments in the most sinster way!
 
Epperly is acting as his own attorney and has now filed suit in Juneau Superior Court in what may be the first claim of presidential eligibility ever litigated in Alaska. Epperly says Obama’s status as a citizen is unknown and he was unlawfully inaugurated as President of the United States. Epperly claims that, by assuming office, Obama has committed the crime of advocating the overthrow of the United States government. Epperly also questions the qualifications of Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi to run for federal office. Pelosi, Epperly believes, has no inherent right of birth as a citizen because she is a woman.
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Naturally many Republicans immediately stood up and spoke out against such insanity...?
 
chuck4842 said:
The thread isnt whether is obamas birthplace important. It's, is his certificate authentic.
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Just a couple of quick questions to make sure I understand your position.

It appears to me that you are of the opinion that

A) In 2008, the two people with the most to gain by pointing out birth certificate shenanigans, Hillary Clinton and John McCain, both publicly went on record as saying that Obama was born in Hawaii and that he was eligible to run for the presidency. We are talking about Hillary Clinton: woman that many Republicans consider so Machiavellian that she was willing to commit murder to gain and hold power at the federal level. That's the woman who rolled over and surrendered on the birth certificate issue.

B) The secretaries of state of all 50 states were just willing to take the DNC's word that B. Obama was eligible for the office of president. None of the secretaries appointed by Republican administrations or elected on Republican ticket lifted a finger to check on his status. Furthermore this one topic would have ensured a Republican victory. Hillary could not have won against McCain. So these republican office holders decided to let B. Omama run for president even though it meant he would be elected.

C) Both houses of Congress are in on this conspiracy as well, as no Republican senator or representative has appointed a special investigator to look into the charges you and others are making.

D) In fact, the RNC is in on it as well, because it is not calling for further investigation.

I'll let the other posters fill in any parts that I missed.

The point is that one cannot believe the provided birth certificate is invalid without also believing the above points.



ETA: one last question. Do you really not understand that birtherism is sillier than the Moon Hoax beliefs? At least in that conspiracy, everyone involved had the same goal.
 
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General advice.

If you are engaging in a controversial issue and the three most notable people you can find to champion your cause are "Shurf Joe", Donald Trump, and Alex Jones, then it might be wise to reevaluate the evidence and reasoning that led you to that position.



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And before you start going on about how President Obama should clear the same bar that you have to clear, you need to realize the bar that he cleared was higher than any bar that you will ever face - if you wanted a passport and to get one you had to produce a birth certificate, a letter from the current secretary of state of the state you were born in, and a press conference by the governor of the state you were born in; then you probably wouldn't get the passport. Yet, President Obama has produced all three.
 
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I had to do a double-take there, for a second I thought it was Stephen King who had gone birther :eek:
 
Ladewig said:
General advice.

If you are engaging in a controversial issue and the three most notable people you can find to champion your cause are "Shurf Joe", Donald Trump, and Alex Jones, then it might be wise to reevaluate the evidence and reasoning that led you to that position.
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This ^^^
 
KDLarsen said:
I had to do a double-take there, for a second I thought it was Stephen King who had gone birther :eek:
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Well he is crazy enough.

That actually would be an interesting take on it. Would a Steven King birther be a vampire, a zombie, or an alien?
 
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Eeeek
 
"I command you, unclean spirit, whoever you are, along with all your minions now attacking this servant of God, by the mysteries of the incarnation, passion, resurrection, and ascension of our Lord Jesus Christ, by the descent of the Holy Spirit, by the coming of our Lord for judgment, that you tell me by some sign your name, and the day and hour of your departure. I command you, moreover, to obey me to the letter, I who am a minister of God despite my unworthiness; nor shall you be emboldened to harm in any way this creature of God, or the bystanders, or any of their possessions."





it's worth a try.
 
Looks like Philip J. Berg has been disbarred for a year and will have retake the bar exam.

Alltogether now: Awwww.

Now we just need the CA Bar to wake up.
 
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