JFK Conspiracy Theories: It Never Ends

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I'm pretty sure Robert Prey is doing some sort of performance art here. He has to be. Or maybe it's some sort of social experiment. Nobody could possibly believe the nonsense he's posting

Except about sixty-six percent of the American people:


"A majority of the public believes the assassination of President John F. Kennedy (search) was part of a larger conspiracy, not the act of one individual. In addition, most Americans think there was a cover-up of facts about the 1963 shooting.
On the 40th anniversary of JFK’s assassination, a recent FOX News poll shows most Americans disagree with the government’s conclusions about the killing. The Warren Commission (search) found that Lee Harvey Oswald (search) acted alone when he shot Kennedy, but 66 percent of the public today think the assassination was “part of a larger conspiracy” while only 25 percent think it was the “act of one individual.” These new poll results are similar to previous surveys conducted by Louis Harris and Associates in 1967, 1975 and 1981, when about two-thirds also felt the shooting was part of a larger conspiracy."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,102511,00.html
 
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They were peers. They reviewed his findings. Thus, "peer reviewed". Just as rigorous as printed in some publication.

Just as rigorous? Hmmm. Where are the rebuttles and critiques accomodated? How does one follow the ongoing peer review process?

You realise that the Peer Review Process is a little more complex than your description?
 
Robert, where in his WC testemony did Kemp Clark say "blow out"?
If he did not say those words in his testemony his signiature on the WC does not validate those words.
 
Except about sixty-six percent of the American people:

I didn't say that nobody could possibly believe there was a conspiracy. I said that nobody could possibly believe the nonsense you're posting which goes far beyond conspiracy. You contradict yourself with every other post. You lie like it's going out of style while accusing others of doing the same (despite the fact that anyone can look through this thread and see you're the only one doing it). You dodge questions while accusing others of doing the same (despite the fact that anyone can look through this thread and see you're the only one doing it). You either intentionally misunderstand quotes and posts or else you have zero reading comprehension skills. I can't believe that anybody is that bad at understanding a language that they are communicating in regularly. You have the debate skills of a 10 year old. Case in point: not a single person who wanted to be taken seriously would respond to a well thought out and logical post with a single word, baloney. Another thing you have done and continue to do that is completely juvenile I mentioned earlier:
I'm glad I tapped out of this discussion long ago. The rest of you might want to do the same. I mean, you're arguing with someone using the following logic:

"I asked for 1 thing I got wrong. You listed 10 things. 10 is different than 1 so I win, you lose; I'm right, you're wrong! Neener neener! :p"

This is not the logic of a rational thinking, mature adult.
That's why I don't believe you are for real. You seem to be going out of your way to make yourself look bad. Nobody could do that and possibly expect people to believe what they are saying. Not for a second.

How many of those 66% would still believe in a conspiracy after reading through this thread? Not a single one I'm guessing.
 
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66 percent of the public today think the assassination was “part of a larger conspiracy” while only 25 percent think it was the “act of one individual.”

Many Americans belive many things
one fifth of Americans (mistakenly) believe that President Obama is a Muslim.
only 39% of Americans believe in Darwenism
21% believe in witchcraft
41% believe Saddam was behind 9/11
in 1999 20% of Americans thought the sun revolved around the earth
63% cant find Iraq on a map and nine out of ten cant find Afghanistan

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/galleries/2010/08/24/dumb-things-americans-believe.html#slide1
 
They were peers.

They were "peers" of Jack White in that none of them has the appropriate training and expertise. You have yet to address this point; you simply call me "brainwashed" and hope that will suffice.

I maintain that Jack White has absolutely no standing or stature in the professional photographic analysis community, and that among those professionals who have examined White's findings, they are seen as laughably inept. You offered your "peer review" claim in response to that statement, but it simply is not true.

I have explained why the examples you cite do not amount to peer review. You have failed to address any of that explanation, and are now just stamping your little foot and insisting that we must accept your argument. Petulance is not an argument.

They reviewed his findings.

No. Pickard and Thompson did not review his findings.

Mee addressed White's findings upon request from a conspiracy author, which took the form largely of trying to show why HSCA's handling of him was allegedly unfair -- hence a defense of White, not a review.

Thus, "peer reviewed". Just as rigorous as printed in some publication.

Baloney.
 
Except about sixty-six percent of the American people:

66% of the American people have not seen your postings, Robert.

You conflate two questions. The first is vague public suspicion over the JFK assassination. The second is your personal performance here in this forum. I'm inclined to believe that a substantial number of uninformed people might answer a pollster a certain way based on nothing more substantial than vague suspicion. But kindly don't equate that with the number of people who would subscribe to your pathetic arguments here.


I find it highly amusing that when I clicked on the link to the survey company that Fox News contracted this poll out to, my spyware blocker lit up like a Christmas tree.
 
Peer review's "rigorous process"??? And just how much of a rigorous process have the conclusions of the HSCA been put to by "peers' who also have had access to the originals??(not that the HSCA even bothered to study all of the photo anomalies) And how can you, yourself make any judgments at all about the photos or the conclusions of others if you have not been privy to have seen the originals? Maj. Pickard, Malcomb Thompson and Brian Mee are all photo experts - peers of Jack White and have essentially supported White's conclusions that the photos are fake, whether mentioning White's name or not. And as to the matter of the photos being in possession of the FBI prior to them being "found" in the Paine garage, and the mysterious fact of a ghosted photo of Oswald in the backyard discovered decades later, you have no answer.

yep. Just as I said. Jack White is clueless about photo analysis, so Robert thinks quoting other clueless people is adequate to the task.

Hank
 
They were "peers" of Jack White in that none of them has the appropriate training and expertise. You have yet to address this point; you simply call me "brainwashed" and hope that will suffice.

I maintain that Jack White has absolutely no standing or stature in the professional photographic analysis community, and that among those professionals who have examined White's findings, they are seen as laughably inept. You offered your "peer review" claim in response to that statement, but it simply is not true.

I have explained why the examples you cite do not amount to peer review. You have failed to address any of that explanation, and are now just stamping your little foot and insisting that we must accept your argument. Petulance is not an argument.



No. Pickard and Thompson did not review his findings.

Mee addressed White's findings upon request from a conspiracy author, which took the form largely of trying to show why HSCA's handling of him was allegedly unfair -- hence a defense of White, not a review.
Baloney.

While Maj. Pickard, Malcomb Thompson and Brian Mee do not have any published background in the analysis of backyard photos, I have noted that neither do any of the members of the House photo panel. So, they are all equal -- Peers.
 
Many Americans belive many things
one fifth of Americans (mistakenly) believe that President Obama is a Muslim.
only 39% of Americans believe in Darwenism
21% believe in witchcraft
41% believe Saddam was behind 9/11
in 1999 20% of Americans thought the sun revolved around the earth
63% cant find Iraq on a map and nine out of ten cant find Afghanistan

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/galleries/2010/08/24/dumb-things-americans-believe.html#slide1

That's what comes from attending the government schools.
 
I didn't say that nobody could possibly believe there was a conspiracy. I said that nobody could possibly believe the nonsense you're posting which goes far beyond conspiracy. You contradict yourself with every other post. You lie like it's going out of style while accusing others of doing the same

Really. Name one.

(And remember, the rules is one question at a time)
 
66% of the American people have not seen your postings, Robert.

You conflate two questions. The first is vague public suspicion over the JFK assassination. The second is your personal performance here in this forum.


The Poll asks nothing about a "vague suspicion". But a true belief that not only was it a conspiracy, but the government had something to do with a cover-up. Exactly what I have been posting, except I have provided extensive, factual proofs that nobody, including you have been able to refute, while you and your Amen Chorus of pooh-poohers have been able to provide nothing.
 
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While Maj. Pickard, Malcomb Thompson and Brian Mee do not have any published background in the analysis of backyard photos, I have noted that neither do any of the members of the House photo panel. So, they are all equal -- Peers.

Irrelevant. The question is not whether something is equal to something else, but whether you have evidence for this claim:

On the contrary, that's your opinion. Others disagree. In fact White has shown considerable expertise in pointing out anomalies in the B/Y photos and his work has been positively peer reviewed by other photo experts. But focusing on the word "expert" instead of on the subject matter is a way of evading the truth and in fact is fallacious reasoning of which you and Jay are indeed "expert."

Kindly stop trying to convert the question into another spate of you bashing your critics. You have been patiently asked whether you have evidence for this claim. You are getting close to admitting you do not, but it seems quite difficult to get you state that admission in plain language.

You cited three people. Two of them did not review White's findings are are immediately disqualified. That they also have no published expertise in photo analysis is additionally damaging to your claim, but since Pickard and Thompson didn't review White's findings, you may not cite them as having peer-reviewed his work.

The remaining person, Mee, is cited as a "photo lab technician," and his c.v. lacks any formal training in photographic analysis and I find no references to him in the literature, or indeed in any context other than his solicited defense of Jack White. In contrast, I can look up Jim Hoerricks, a professional analyst I have worked with before, and see any number of references to courses he has taken or taught and cases or other examples in which he has been considered an expert. He has also published books on the subject that are considered general references in the industry.

Further, as I have explained before, his approach to photogrammetry is the same wrong layman's approach that White uses. And Mee demonstrates that he does not understand how a more proper analysis undermine's White's findings.

For those reasons I do not accept Brian Mee as a photo expert within the meaning of your statement.

We are left with your claim that Jack White's findings have been "positively reviewed by other photo experts," a claim which you now seem to admit has no evidentiary foundation. You're reduced to trying to cast blame elsewhere rather than retract a failed argument. You are so deeply entrenched in your beliefs that you cannot suffer even the least setback.
 
The Poll asks nothing about a "vague suspicion".

The poll asks nothing about Robert Prey. The question you tried to answer with this poll asks about your personal credibility and skill at debate. The poll is irrelevant. You are not credible.

But a true belief that not only was it a conspiracy, but the government had something to do with a cover-up. Exactly what I have been posting...

No. You may not assume the respondents reached their conclusions by means of any activity congruent to yours.

...except I have provided extensive, factual proofs that nobody, including you have been able to refute...

Your denial is so cute. People are coming out of the woodwork to praise your critics. Can you cite a single post in the past 181 pages that even takes you seriously, much less agrees with your position?

...while you and your Amen Chorus of pooh-poohers have been able to provide nothing.

Nothing except all those lengthy, fact-filled posts to which you can only respond with lunch meat references.
 
Really. Name one.

(And remember, the rules is one question at a time)

Okay, here's my one question: Produce the verifiable name of at least one person other than yourself who believes that JFK was assassinated by a government conspiracy, and specifically cites you and your arguments as the reason for believing that.
 
Really. Name one.

(And remember, the rules is one question at a time)

How about these: Do they contradict each other?
Another Pinocchio. Back of the head is where the large wound was. Dr.Kemp made no statement of inference of entry or exit.



"A missile had gone in or out of the back of his head...": Dr. Clark :

And remember, there is no "rule" about one question, there is a self imposed restriction you place on yourself to dodge questions. Pleae do not pretend it is any kind of meaningful rule anybody else should pay the sleightest heed to.
 
Really. Name one.

(And remember, the rules is one question at a time)
Name one? All your lies have been pointed out to you, usually repeatedly.

And we'll ask as many questions at a time as we want to. In case you didn't realize it, you're neither a mod or an admin, so you don't get to make rules like that.
 
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