Mitt Romney's overseas tour

Diplomacy was the right move, and our relationship with the UK hasn't been hurt one iota.

The fact that a bunch of right wingnuts got their panties in a bunch over it doesn't change that fact.

BTW, I don't know how you can address another nation at all without that address being diplomacy. And if there are no words, which is what you are really demanding, there are bullets.
 
BenBurch said:
Diplomacy was the right move, and our relationship with the UK hasn't been hurt one iota.

The fact that a bunch of right wingnuts got their panties in a bunch over it doesn't change that fact.

BTW, I don't know how you can address another nation at all without that address being diplomacy. And if there are no words, which is what you are really demanding, there are bullets.
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Actually I can get my panties in a bunch over the fact that US administrations in the 1970's were happy with the bunch of Fascists in control of Argentina and colluding in their "Dirty War".

I suppose you would call that diplomacy.
 
angrysoba said:
Actually I can get my panties in a bunch over the fact that US administrations in the 1970's were happy with the bunch of Fascists in control of Argentina and colluding in their "Dirty War".

I suppose you would call that diplomacy.
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No, that is policy, not diplomacy.

Diplomacy is how you hope to enact policy without bloodshed.

On that specific subject, US administrations did a lot of stupid foreign policy moves propping up nations only because there were not Communist. But that was the fault of policy, not the fault of Diplomats.
 
BenBurch said:
No, that is policy, not diplomacy.

Diplomacy is how you hope to enact policy without bloodshed.

On that specific subject, US administrations did a lot of stupid foreign policy moves propping up nations only because there were not Communist. But that was the fault of policy, not the fault of Diplomats.
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Do you honestly think that Obama is stopping war between Argentina and the UK right now with his diplomacy?
 
angrysoba said:
Do you honestly think that Obama is stopping war between Argentina and the UK right now with his diplomacy?
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Since there is no war between Argentina and the UK right now, obviously Obama stopped it. ;)
Give the man another Nobel Prize!

BTW: The Summit of the Americas, where Obama made his gaffe, did not include a declaration of support for Argentina on the issue in their final report.
 
angrysoba said:
Do you honestly think that Obama is stopping war between Argentina and the UK right now with his diplomacy?
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I honestly think that another war over those islands is possible. British ability to project force at that distance is much less than it was.

But Obama is more interested in other issues; Keeping on good relations with a major trade partner which has a volatile character (Argentina) is very important. The UK knows we are their ally through thick and thin, and no such comment from Obama would do so much as cause official grumbles of umbrage.
 
Romney's foreign policy team seems to be stuck in the cold war:

Romney Camp Once Again Warns Of ‘Soviet’ Threat

A foreign policy adviser to Mitt Romney’s campaign warned against policies that would aid “the Soviet Union” Wednesday, making him at least the third person from Team Romney — including Romney himself — to refer to a country that hasn’t existed since 1991 in the course of attacking President Obama’s foreign policy.

The Obama campaign has already accused Romney of having a “Cold War mindset” on foreign policy, so it naturally seized on a clip of longtime Republican diplomat Rich Williamson, a Romney adviser, speaking at the Brookings Institution Wednesday. Williamson was condemning the Obama approach to Syria.

He called the country “strategically important to the Soviet Union.”
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LOL! You think stumbling on one's tongue is even CLOSE to the magnitude of not being aware at all of the most significant geo-political event in the last 25 years?

You can stay around. I find your opinions amusing.
 
BenBurch said:
LOL! You think stumbling on one's tongue is even CLOSE to the magnitude of not being aware at all of the most significant geo-political event in the last 25 years?

You can stay around. I find your opinions amusing.
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It's the same thing - a stumbling of the tongue. An aide tries to describe the authoritarian antagonistic regime run from the Kremlin by an ex-KGB guy and he calls it the Soviet Union rather than Russia. Who cares?

I highly doubt that he is unaware of the events of 1991. It was a naming error - not one of understanding or policy.

Now, Obama saying that the USA needed to apologize and reset its foreign policy vis a vis Russia (rather than realizing that relations are strained because of Putin's actions) - that is an error of understanding.
 
Giz said:
Here is the official State Department*press release*on the Falklands issue*published today*
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I'm still waiting for you to clarify this. You claimed that there is an official State Department press release but provided no link.
 
BenBurch said:
But Obama is more interested in other issues; Keeping on good relations with a major trade partner which has a volatile character (Argentina) is very important.
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Not sure how you are defining "major trade partner". In terms of total trade in goods (i.e. the sum of imports from and exports to a country), in 2011 Argentina didn't even rank in the top 15 U.S. trading partners. The U.K., for its part, placed 6th. In terms of the dollar values involved, trade with the U.K. amounted to only 2.9% of total U.S. trade; Argentina, just 0.4%. (To put those figures into context, trade with Canada came to 16.2%.)
 
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BenBurch said:
Funny that the Brits never mentioned it.

What Romney is doing is looking for foreign campaign donations. Since no disclosure is required any more, nothing stops him. He can't get "caught."
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As a Brit, I would be interested to know why the statue was returned, but don't consider it to be an insult.
 
He seems to have narked the Torygraph off if their headline to this article is any indication

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ol...ether-Britain-is-ready-for-Olympic-Games.html

Also I found this funny:

In a gaffe of his own, Mr Romney referred to Mr Miliband as "Mr Leader".
“Like you Mr Leader I look forward to our conversations this morning and I have had a number of conversations with leaders both present and past and recongise of course the unique relationship that exists between our nations,” he said.
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Honestly everyone knows the correct gaffe to make when referring to Ed Miliband is to call him David
 
Giz said:
Soviets?

Like Polish death camps?

Or the Maldives?

Or 58 states?

Or liberating Auschwitz?

Oh wait, its not like any of those because it wasn't even Romney who said it!
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I'm not sure I understand some of these things you listed.

There were death camps in Poland that killed the polish so what is up with that supposed gaffe?

I'm not familiar with the "liberating Auschwitz" one.
 
Giz said:
I'd given an exact quote (to save you the trouble) but here is the link as well:

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2012/01/182294.htm
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I see that 'Malvinas' is in parentheses , which suggests to me that that they are leaning toward the British claim.

If it were up to me I would recognize the British claim and have done with it, and damn what the Argentines think about it. I wonder if there's some domestic political reason why no American president has done this yet.
 
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