Vaccine/autism CT discussion

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Clayton, it's not healthy to get all your information from conspiracy nutjob sites and YouTube. Do you have any actual sources to back up these wild claims?
 
Wow. A film that "mentions" killings...

If only it "proved" something with viable and verifiable evidence.
 
Tomtomkent said:
Wow. A film that "mentions" killings...

If only it "proved" something with viable and verifiable evidence.
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Tips of the ALEC drugberg.

Vioxx
How did Vioxx debacle happen?
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2004-10-12-vioxx-cover_x.htm

Trasylol
http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-18560_162-3831900.html


Bextra
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valdecoxib#Side-effects_and_withdrawal_from_market


statin drugs
Zocor Lipitor
http://www.discount-vitamins-herbs.net/statin_side-effects.htm


Ketek
severe liver injury
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp078032


SSRIs
Paxil
Zoloft
Fexor

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_serotonin_reuptake_inhibitor#Adverse_effects
Adverse effects

Almost all SSRIs are known to cause one or more of these symptoms:

anhedonia
apathy
nausea/vomiting
drowsiness or somnolence
headache (very common as a short-term side effect)
bruxism
tinnitus
extremely vivid or strange dreams
dizziness
fatigue
mydriasis (pupil dilation)
urinary retention
changes in appetite
insomnia and/or changes in sleep
excessive diarrhea
weight loss/gain (measured by a change in bodyweight of 7 pounds)
increased risk of bone fractures and injuries
changes in sexual behaviour (see the next section)
increased feelings of depression and anxiety (which may sometimes provoke panic attacks)
mania and psychotic disorders
tremors (and other symptoms of Parkinsonism in vulnerable elderly patients)[16]
autonomic dysfunction including orthostatic hypotension, increased or reduced sweating
akathisia
renal impairment
suicidal ideation (thoughts of suicide)
photosensitivity[17]
Paresthesia
dissociative disorders, cognitive disorders and loss of contact with reality
Syndrome of inappropriate antidiuretic hormone hypersecretion
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http://www.lawyersandsettlements.com/articles/drugs-medical/ssri_nightmare-00091.html

According to Joyce, "there are 6 to 8 million children on these drugs."

"The question is why are we handing these drugs out like candy," she wants to know.

"The answer is a $17 billion a year business," she says.

In Washington state, on April 15, 2001, 16-year-old Cory Baadsgaard took a hunting rifle to school and held a teacher and 23 classmates hostage for 45 minutes.
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One of his friends who watched Corey at school that day described his actions to his father, Jay. "Cory was yelling" he said, "and then he just stopped, looked down and saw the gun in his hand and woke up."
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avandia
F.D.A. to Restrict Avandia, Citing Heart Risk

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/24/health/policy/24avandia.html

accutane acne drug suicides
http://www.drugwatch.com/accutane/
The following serious side effects are associated with Accutane use:

Inflammatory bowel disease
Ulcerative colitis
Crohn’s disease
Suicidal thoughts
Birth defects
Liver damage
Gastrointestinal disorders
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Leverkusen knowingly sold HIV infected Leverkusen products in France Europe and Asia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products
 
Clayton Moore said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VibVIRsHnI0&feature=youtube_gdata+
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Oh yeah, Gary Null, whose credentials, including his "Ph.D." are next to nil.

Another shining example of a person who's made a living selling to the gullible.

It would not make much of a difference if his products were safe even if uneffective as far as the claims he makes for them, but his own product was seen to cause kidney damage. Did Null not have anyone checking on the quality control of the company he had producing it? If there was 1000 times as much vitamin D as he had called for in it then how did the company make such a drastic mistake? Was it their fault or did Null's organization erroneously ask for that amount?

At the very least, I see no reason to believe this charlatan more than I believe say Glaxo-Smith Kline, and at worst I see a man who is dangerous to the health of the people he speaks to
 
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Perhaps Clayton didn't understand "valid and verifiable" evidence. An awful lot of news articles are hardly a substitute for a single study or peer review article. Where is the remotest hint of a incident rate to be concerned about? Some people react baddly to a treatment of some description? Shocker! Just the same as any medicine ever.

Same old same old of the "I don't understand it, I can't be bothered to find out, it must be bad" kind of argument.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Film mentions HPV killings of young girls at 1 hour 27 minutes.
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ok a video mentions this, and you, being a person extremely interested in such things, has some information about the original source reports of death so quickly caused by the HPV vaccine?
I assume you mean the vaccine was the cause of death.

btw, given that you were the one to point out my spelling mistakes, I feel justified in pointing out that your phrasing above has the deceased succumbing to an HPV infection rather than a vaccine.. In fact supposedl more than one victim fell dead from HPV infection faster than one would from ebola
 
I *think* he meant to say that at timemark 1:27:00, the film mentions these deaths.

Of course, this being cm, he could have meant that at an hour and a half, these girls became walking time bombs 94.4% of the time, or that it was nano-vaccines that caused the problem.

In any case, it's a clear cut example of the moderators out to get him, and anyone else opposing Big Anthrax...

Because they are all Jooos.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Tips of the ALEC drugberg.

Vioxx
How did Vioxx debacle happen?
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2004-10-12-vioxx-cover_x.htm

Trasylol
http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-18560_162-3831900.html


Bextra
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valdecoxib#Side-effects_and_withdrawal_from_market


statin drugs
Zocor Lipitor
http://www.discount-vitamins-herbs.net/statin_side-effects.htm


Ketek
severe liver injury
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp078032


SSRIs
Paxil
Zoloft
Fexor

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_serotonin_reuptake_inhibitor#Adverse_effects
Adverse effects



http://www.lawyersandsettlements.com/articles/drugs-medical/ssri_nightmare-00091.html






avandia
F.D.A. to Restrict Avandia, Citing Heart Risk

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/24/health/policy/24avandia.html

accutane acne drug suicides
http://www.drugwatch.com/accutane/




Leverkusen knowingly sold HIV infected Leverkusen products in France Europe and Asia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products
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This is somehow attributed to ALEC? You will be demonstrating that link soon right?
 
You would doubt the word of a Navy Walrus who helped make a movie no one has ever seen?
 
TSR said:
I *think* he meant to say that at timemark 1:27:00, the film mentions these deaths.

Of course, this being cm, he could have meant that at an hour and a half, these girls became walking time bombs 94.4% of the time, or that it was nano-vaccines that caused the problem.

In any case, it's a clear cut example of the moderators out to get him, and anyone else opposing Big Anthrax...

Because they are all Jooos.
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Hah!
Like I said, his phrasing was not so great.
 
TSR said:
You would doubt the word of a Navy Walrus who helped make a movie no one has ever seen?
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There are so few NWs they must be reliable.

btw doesn't one of CMs heros, Gary Null, believe that HIV does cause AIDS? There must be another drawback then to HIV contaminated drugs otherwise CM wouldn't have mentioned it.
 
Alec exposed? Anybody else open this thread assuming it would have a long lens shot of Obi-Wan in an open dressing gown?
 
Tomtomkent said:
It's 2012 and doctors still haven't cured the common cold. CONSPIRACY!
It's 2012 and we still don't have cold fusion? CONSPIRACY!
It's 2012 and we still have not cured male pattern baldness? CONSPIRACY!

Sorry but the "scientists should know x by now" argument is always a lame duck.
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It's a close cousin to, "If we can put a man on the moon, why can't we ....?
 
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