BBC now admits al qaeda never existed

Clayton Moore said:
Gosh. Let me see. The SoD, with the obvious blessing of the Bush administration and of course the neocon scum and the full acceptance by the MSM, blatantly fabricates a wild eyed tale of huge fortresses built into mountains by AQ/terrorists with virtually unlimited funding, tech, resources, manpower. Built secretly no less.
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That is an example of gross exaggeration CM, not evidence of the non- existance of an organization which predates the GWB admin by the better part of a decade at the very least


Incompetence? Try agenda. And the instigators of that agenda transcend administrations.
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Both the persons involved and their strident belief in a failed ideology indicate incompetance.

NOTHING you have posted thus far even comes close to illustrating that AQ, as described by me above, and several docuementaries and dozens of news orgs, does not exist

All you have managed is to show it does not exist in the exagerated fashion described by ideologues who were demonstrably incompetant in the positions in which they served
 
The CIA grossly overestimated the military capabilities and nuclear arsenal of the Soviet Union. Probably made inflated reports about those subjects to insure a steady money stream from Washington.

From which follows that the Soviet Union did not exist.

Something like that, CM?
 
Eddie Dane said:
The CIA grossly overestimated the military capabilities and nuclear arsenal of the Soviet Union. Probably made inflated reports about those subjects to insure a steady money stream from Washington.

From which follows that the Soviet Union did not exist.

Something like that, CM?
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The DOD used to publish a book called SOviet Military Power

I have an annotated and corrected version of it corrected by Tom Gervasi:

http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/170800.Tom_Gervasi
 
Jack by the hedge said:
I assumed that was a recent book, using post-cold-war information to correct the DOD's data, but I was surprised to see it was published in 1988.
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I got my copy in 1988 it was quite illuminating especially as I had a copy of the uncorrected version too
 
Eddie Dane said:
The CIA grossly overestimated the military capabilities and nuclear arsenal of the Soviet Union. Probably made inflated reports about those subjects to insure a steady money stream from Washington.

From which follows that the Soviet Union did not exist.

Something like that, CM?
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Yes. Almost precisely. The operative word being ALMOST.

From which follows that that Soviet Union did not exist.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Yes. Almost precisely. The operative word being ALMOST.

From which follows that that Soviet Union did not exist.
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Did an organization called the Soviet Union exist, being the primary nation of the Warsaw Pact that found itself in frequent opposition to the Unites States?

Did an organization called Al Qaeda exist, being the organization containing both Osama bin Laden and Kalied Sheikh Mohammed?
 
Clayton Moore said:
Yes. Almost precisely. The operative word being ALMOST.

From which follows that that Soviet Union did not exist.
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A USSR existed which DID have ICBMs aimed at targets in the west, including the USA, and DID adhere to a political ideology that put it in opposition to the western nations, including the USA.

Therefore this example can only illustrate a similar probability that AQ exists as a facillitator organization among many with similar, religious opposition to western influence

at least until many of their main people came down with severe cases of blasto
AQ did not exist as the James Bond villian that the GWB admin ideologues pushed
 
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Clayton Moore said:
Yes. Almost precisely. The operative word being ALMOST.

From which follows that that Soviet Union did not exist.
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So what you're saying is that there were/are misconceptions and misunderstandings in regards to Al Qaeda?

Bravo!

It only took 3 pages and probably 2 dozen handwavings and misdirections and lies for you to make this obvious statement.

How DO you do it?
 
This has to be one of the most outlandish theories I have ever heard . If Al- Qaeda does not exist, then who killed Benazir Bhutto in 2007, put her father on trial back in the 1970's , had him hanged for not agreeing with the nuclear agenda of both India and the US, killed most of her brothers, put Zia-ul Haq in power, so she could not run for prime minister again in the 90's, putting Pakistan into a state of chaos? Huh?
 
As usual we see Mr Moore showing himself to be totally unaquainted with the matter they are attempting to discuss.
 
skepteen314 said:
This has to be one of the most outlandish theories I have ever heard . If Al- Qaeda does not exist, then who killed Benazir Bhutto in 2007, put her father on trial back in the 1970's , had him hanged for not agreeing with the nuclear agenda of both India and the US, killed most of her brothers, put Zia-ul Haq in power, so she could not run for prime minister again in the 90's, putting Pakistan into a state of chaos? Huh?
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Can anyone answer me?
 
Clayton Moore said:
You people act as if the CIA doesn't exist. What do you think they do?
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The primary function of the CIA is to collect information about foreign governments, corporations, and individuals, and to advise public policymakers, but it does conduct emergency tactical operations and carries out covert operations, and exerts foreign political influence through its tactical divisions, such as the Special Activities Division.

None of which changes the facts that your thread title is a lie, and that OBL was never a "CIA helper" just to highlight two of your idiocies in this thread.
 
Robrob said:
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I do not believe al Qaeda existed before the late 1980's.
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Oh, I am sorry, I meant the ISI. Don't they have connections with Al-Qaeda/Taliban in this whole Bhutto family character assassination plot I mentioned earlier?
 
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