German court bans circumcision of young boys

[sarge]

There's varying degrees of movable.

Man, I'm just going by what I read on the internet, written for and by people who are circumcised. You say you easily and most commonly 'dry' masturbate. Are you so sure this is the most common way for circumcised men? Google searches on the matter leads me to believe it's not, and that 'dry' masturbation has complications of its own, like soreness, but I'm more than willing to be proven wrong. My own experiences with the matter is, logically, limited.

Strange, starge things you run into on the internet!

Growing up, virtually every boy I knew was circumsized. That was the normal order of things, and it was a strange occurance to witness an un-cut dangle. Kids being kids, the un-cuts were occasionally teased about it.

Girls I know that have expressed an opinion universally prefer a circumcised prong on asthetic grounds, and among those that have experienced both profess no discernable difference in performance.

Almost all porn over here features the cut variety.

I pull my own chain regularly, and have never needed any form of lubrication. I suppose I just got lucky - it never occured to me before reading this thread that it is possible to cut off too much foreskin.

As for the procedure itself, I can think of no reason to allow it to continue. It is inarguably mutilation, and inarguably carriers more risks than rewards if the sole measure is the childs welfare.

 

[pgwenthold]

Girls I know that have expressed an opinion universally prefer a circumcised prong on asthetic grounds, and among those that have experienced both profess no discernable difference in performance.

That's because you are talking to girls in the US where it is common. Go to Europe and the response is opposite.

It's purely cultural.

 

[brazenlilraisin]

I just want to remind everyone that the reason circumcision became big in the US was as an attempt to deter masturbation.

Cite or it's BS

 

[sarge]

That's because you are talking to girls in the US where it is common. Go to Europe and the response is opposite.

It's purely cultural.

I understood that to be the case - indeed it was a principle reason for my post. Over here, circumcision was the norm by a very wide margin for children of my generation. I understand that not to be true in Europe, and consequently an uncircumcised penis is what a girl expects to be presented with.

 

[Ryokan]

Cite or it's BS

That's a strange thing to dispute. I thought it was common knowledge.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_male_circumcision#Male_circumcision_to_prevent_masturbation

 

[Bram Kaandorp]

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[zeggman]

A quick google search on dry masturbation shows that many people are having problems doing it that way.

So there's a market need for an educational video... Good to know.

 

[sarge]

I just want to remind everyone that the reason circumcision became big in the US was as an attempt to deter masturbation.

I don't know about carefully controlled studies and all, but the belief that circumcision reduces the pleasure of masturbation, at least, is not only not new, but the whole basis for it in the US originally.

I've just read information that contradicts that notion. Secular circumcision as a deterent to masterbation became big in Europe, and the practice as a norm followed immigrants to the US. Strangely, circumcision rates go up (in America) for the 5 year period following our foreign wars.

 

[Ryokan]

So there's a market need for an educational video... Good to know.

Good luck with your new business plan..

 

[Ryokan]

I've just read information that contradicts that notion. Secular circumcision as a deterent to masterbation became big in Europe, and the practice as a norm followed immigrants to the US. Strangely, circumcision rates go up (in America) for the 5 year period following our foreign wars.

I'm not sure it was ever popular in Europe, except for in Britain. The Wikipedia article says circumcision as a way to combat masturbation was big in English-speaking countries.

ETA: From Wikipedia:

Historically, neonatal circumcision was promoted during late Victorian times in the English-speaking parts of Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the United States and the United Kingdom and was widely practiced during the first part of the 20th century in these countries. However, the practice declined sharply in the United Kingdom after the Second World War, and somewhat later in Canada, Australia and New Zealand. It has been argued (e.g., Goldman 1997) that the practice did not spread to other European countries because others considered the arguments for it fallacious.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor...e_circumcision_in_the_19th_century_and_beyond

 

[zeggman]

Good luck with your new business plan..

Actually, I just remembered, about a year or so back all the comedy shows were talking about this thing called "chat roulette". If the descriptions I heard were accurate, there might already be plenty of educational material available for free.

 

[Rolfe]

When I masturbated before my circumcision I never used lube. To this day mumblegrum years post circ I still do not.

Keep posting myths, I'll keep shooting them down.

Well, you see, getting a good post-operative result is a hell of a lot easier when operating on a large, physically mature organ. Doing what practically amounts to micro-surgery on an infant that still has all his growing to do is a lot harder.

Nobody is putting up the slightest objection to the circumcision of consenting 25-year-olds.

Rolfe.

 

[sarge]

I'm not sure it was ever popular in Europe, except for in Britain. The Wikipedia article says circumcision as a way to combat masturbation was big in English-speaking countries.

ETA: From Wikipedia:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor...e_circumcision_in_the_19th_century_and_beyond

http://www.circumstitions.com/USA.html has links to a number of relevent studies. You are essentially correct that, however, that I osted "Europe" when "England" would have been more accurate. My essential point (that the website indicates that circumcision in the US was not primarily about preventing masturbation) is intact.*





* intact - get it?

 

[Safe-Keeper]

When I masturbated before my circumcision I never used lube. To this day mumblegrum years post circ I still do not.

/anecdote

Nobody is putting up the slightest objection to the circumcision of consenting 25-year-olds.

This too

 

[brazenlilraisin]

Keep fanning, I can use the breeze.

 

[Rolfe]

That sounds like someone running out of arguments to me.

Rolfe.

 

[Ryokan]

http://www.circumstitions.com/USA.html has links to a number of relevent studies. You are essentially correct that, however, that I osted "Europe" when "England" would have been more accurate. My essential point (that the website indicates that circumcision in the US was not primarily about preventing masturbation) is intact.*

I can see how the fact 'circumcision became popular as remedy for masturbation' has morphed into 'circumcision became popular as remedy for masturbation in the USA.' I, for one, am not surprised to learn that this nonsense started in the upper class of Victorian England..

In any case, the origin of the tradition was still as a way to combat masturbation, it's just that the blame of coming up with this stupidity can be transferred from 19th century Americans to the 19th century English.. And if anyone is still doing it for that reason today, it must be a very tiny minority. It has just become cultural.

* intact - get it?

 

[Ryokan]

Keep fanning, I can use the breeze.

You asked for evidence of a claim, it was provided, and this is your reply? Why are you even participating in this thread then?

 

[Tsukasa Buddha]

When I masturbated before my circumcision I never used lube. To this day mumblegrum years post circ I still do not.

Keep posting myths, I'll keep shooting them down.

Er, I am a circumcised male. The tongue smilie was to joke about "settling" it for everyone, but I don't see how you could call it a myth.

Different strokes for different folks, but there is definitely a different mechanism at work for foreskin vs none. Not huge or life-changing, but different.

And I've seen lots of vids .

(I suppose an intact person could try rolling the foreskin back and holding it there with one hand at the base, and using the other hand to emulate dry-style. But now I am afraid of getting too smutty for the Mods .)

 

[Tsukasa Buddha]

Strange, starge things you run into on the internet!

Growing up, virtually every boy I knew was circumsized. That was the normal order of things, and it was a strange occurance to witness an un-cut dangle. Kids being kids, the un-cuts were occasionally teased about it.

Girls I know that have expressed an opinion universally prefer a circumcised prong on asthetic grounds, and among those that have experienced both profess no discernable difference in performance.

Heh, in my experience the normal order was never seeing anyone else's penis. And all the women I hear talk about how penises are either funny looking or ugly. Which kinda confuses me. Is that just talk, or are they actually lesbians ?

Almost all porn over here features the cut variety.

It's funny, the naming convention in the smut corners I've been is to call porn with intact guys "Euro".

I pull my own chain regularly, and have never needed any form of lubrication. I suppose I just got lucky - it never occured to me before reading this thread that it is possible to cut off too much foreskin.

I've actually heard it expressed that the "best" is cutting off the maximum amount ("tight"). Of course, too much and you end up with a problem...