Trayvon Martin, Vigilante Justice

[JoeTheJuggler]

That's because he probably didn't.

To change "I confronted him" to "He confronted me" or "I grabbed his arm and he punched me" to "He punched me for no reason" doesn't take some amazing fabulist, only a liar being true to his nature.

Yep.

Also, dumb doesn't mean innocent. In fact, what he's essentially being accused of is exercising criminally poor judgement in the shooting. IMO, their conversations illustrate more of the same. The decision to try to hide the money turns out to be more criminally poor judgement. Even the defense lawyers acknowledge that this "mistake" damaged Zimmerman's credibility.

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

To say that the police believed Zimmerman's story as opposed to being unable to disprove it are wholly separate things. Remind me again, when did the police come out and say the believed Zimmerman?

Well the disgraced (and now retired) police chief said something tantamount to saying he believed Zimmerman. He said there was no reason to doubt his version of the incident. That was certainly a premature conclusion.

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

Incidentally, where did he lie?

It's the missus who is up on perjury charges, but as the judge said, he can't sit there silently and let his (misled) lawyer and his wife lie on his behalf.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Please explain why you changed the words I used.

It will be more relevant once you explain why you think GZ claimed he was attacked from behind.

 

[Rare Truth]

Maybe because that was the story we all heard, as relayed by the Sanford police?

 

[TheL8Elvis]

When did the prosecution propose that theory? Cite, please.

Point number 11 on the motion to revoke the bond, they talk about authorities being on alert in case he tries to flee the country... I don't know why they would do that if they didn't think he would run ...

To say that the police believed Zimmerman's story as opposed to being unable to disprove it are wholly separate things. Remind me again, when did the police come out and say the believed Zimmerman?

"The best evidence we have is the testimony of George Zimmerman, and he says the decedent was the primary aggressor in the whole event," Serino told the Sentinel March 16. "Everything I have is adding up to what he says."

That's good enough for me without using the word believed. OTOH, I am not aware of the police coming and saying they disbelieved him anywhere.

 

[Dan O.]

Please explain where you learned of the bolded claim, and why you believe it is the actual claim made by GZ.

Are you saying that you don't buy it either? Then I guess we agree on something.

Why does he need evidence to support his claim self defense ? The state will have to prove it wasn't, and the state appears to have less evidence than GZ.

So, your position is that when the police arrive and see the body killed by a bullet from the killer's gun, all the killer has to do is say "it was self defense" and that's it, they have to accept it unless they can find proof that it wasn't. You allow that the killer can wait to see what evidence the prosecution can dig up before he has to come up with an explanation for any damaging evidence. This may in fact be what Florida has created in their statutes. I happen to think that there ought to be some burden to disclose the truth of what happened when you have silenced the only voice that might have been able to contradict you.

Sure, George gave interviews to the police for several hours immediately after the incident, but that means nothing if his lawyer is able to suppress it later.

 

[johnny karate]

Point number 11 on the motion to revoke the bond, they talk about authorities being on alert in case he tries to flee the country... I don't know why they would do that if they didn't think he would run ...

Seems like a warranted precaution. But I'm not sure how that can reasonably get spun into being a "dingy theory" any more than the fact that Zimmerman is handcuffed at his court appearances is evidence of a "dingy theory" that he will attempt to escape during the proceedings.

"The best evidence we have is the testimony of George Zimmerman, and he says the decedent was the primary aggressor in the whole event," Serino told the Sentinel March 16. "Everything I have is adding up to what he says."

That's good enough for me without using the word believed.

Strikes me as a pretty ambiguous statement.

OTOH, I am not aware of the police coming and saying they disbelieved him anywhere.

Nor am I making that claim. I'm only countering the notion that Zimmerman would have had to successfully fool the police. The point is we don't know if did, and the determination of his guilt or innocence doesn't depend on him successfully fooling them anyway.

 

[This is The End]

I was reading this article about the Zimmermans possibly running afoul of the federal anti-money laundering laws that prohibit "structuring".

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/18/us-usa-florida-shooting-idUSBRE85H1TA20120618

What I don't exactly believe is all the reporting that the feds use a fixed trigger of 10k.

Of course I believe that that is what the feds "say" the trigger is.

But surely in reality they use a floating point trigger.

 

[johnny karate]

Well the disgraced (and now retired) police chief said something tantamount to saying he believed Zimmerman. He said there was no reason to doubt his version of the incident. That was certainly a premature conclusion.

Any chance you could scare up a quote?

It's the missus who is up on perjury charges, but as the judge said, he can't sit there silently and let his (misled) lawyer and his wife lie on his behalf.

Zimmerman lied by proxy, and actively engaged in a deception against the court. The deniers of those facts are sad and misguided.

 

[Unabogie]

TPM has some choice quotes from the lovely couple.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsme...ailhouse_calls_codes_money.php?ref=fpnewsfeed

So, the new theory is that because they are caught being conniving and dumb, that George couldn't be lying about his actions that night because he's too stupid to lie that well?

I don't know. Listening to these tapes, he sure thinks he's good at it.

 

[LTC8K6]

I was reading this article about the Zimmermans possibly running afoul of the federal anti-money laundering laws that prohibit "structuring".

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/18/us-usa-florida-shooting-idUSBRE85H1TA20120618

What I don't exactly believe is all the reporting that the feds use a fixed trigger of 10k.

Of course I believe that that is what the feds "say" the trigger is.

But surely in reality they use a floating point trigger.

IIRC, the 10K problem is related to Paypal, and not federal laws. Paypal has a $10K limit on transfers until certain conditions are met.

 

[Bob001]

....IWhat I don't exactly believe is all the reporting that the feds use a fixed trigger of 10k.
....

The reporting requirement and its application are pretty clear:
http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=148821,00.html

 

[LTC8K6]

https://www.paypal.com/webapps/helpcenter/article/?currentIssueID=11196&m=SRE

Yes, Paypal has a $10K single transaction limit.

 

[This is The End]

https://www.paypal.com/webapps/helpcenter/article/?currentIssueID=11196&m=SRE

Yes, Paypal has a $10K single transaction limit.

That's for sending from a Paypal to another Paypal. I thought what they were doing was withdrawing from PayPal to a bank account. Which has different limits AFAIK.

 

[This is The End]

I thought what they were doing was withdrawing from PayPal to a bank account.

Yeah it appears it was PayPal to bank withdraws, not PayPal to PayPal transfers. You will need to find those limits, which I think are different. I could be wrong though.

http://www.freep.com/article/201206...Zimmerman-tells-wife-how-to-move-money-around

The couple's bank statements also were released Monday. They show numerous transfers between the PayPal account, George Zimmerman's bank account and his wife's account.

One such transfer was posted the day before Zimmerman's April 20 bond hearing. Two more are dated April 23, the day he was released from jail.

From same article, pretty funny:

In the calls, Zimmerman makes repeated reference to Peter Pan, which seems to be a code name for PayPal.

 

[LTC8K6]

If they were avoiding the federal law, I don't know why charges have not been pressed.

Seems pretty clear that if this is not a PP limitation, then it's an attempt to skirt the law.

 

[LTC8K6]

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2012/6/18/225020/679

More from Jeralyn, a defense attorney, on the bank records and calls.

 

[WildCat]

Maybe because that was the story we all heard, as relayed by the Sanford police?

The SPD gave no such story, and you won't be able to provide a link to anything of the sort.

Maybe you have a reading comprehension issue?

 

[Dan O.]

http://www. talkleft.com/story/2012/6/18/225020/679

More from Jeralyn, a defense attorney, on the bank records and calls.

I seem to have missed the post where she advertises herself as an attorney. If she's not putting her vocation in the by line, maybe it has nothing to do with what she is posting. As an attorney though, she would probably recognize argumentum ad verecundiam.

What she does have going is she was willing to drop some money for the data releases so she is able to put her spin on it early.