Clayton Moore
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It's interesting that instead of going and looking for such an example yourself, you basically offload the burden of doing any hard work onto everyone else. If you think this is a valid comparison, prove it. Until then, fail.
Your link appears to have vanished, or did you just make this up?
No, the only photo that the slideshow dates is that photo. That doesn't mean the other photos are from 1942.
Fail.
Neither of the pics I highlighted are in your trio. I frankly doubt that the 'Sonderkommando' pic really is from 1942, but would note that another scan of the same photo, submitted from the Imperial War Museum to YV, says 'probably kapos', which makes sense since there are men with armbands in the picture. The entire scene does not amount to a depiction of ordinary Polish Jews, so is useless for your apparent argument.
Your wrongness regarding food economies in occupied Poland is so profound that there isn't anything to say until you show some signs of mastering the basics. Are you ever going to do that? No, thought not.
I think at this moment, the most appropriate response is 'que?'
That's your strawman.
No we're not. Freakishly small would be men below 5 foot tall.
Under-nourished, malnourished, forced to go without. Starvation = famine, which kills. Peasants go hungry in lean years, and small town dwellers who are shut off from their normal opportunities to trade and sell their wares, robbed of their communal wealth and forced to compete with others on a black market are not going to eat as much as they did in normal times.
And there's your strawman again. Look, if you say 'dwarf' then it's quite likely someone is going to think of this creature, which in fantasy-land averaged 4 feet in height. Which is waaaay under what has been discussed.
'Emaciated' is also a strawman; Belsen survivors were emaciated, and weighed quite a few kg less than the averages under discussion here. Emaciation or anorexia would be a step short of death. You can certainly find quite a few pics of emaciated Jews in the Warsaw ghetto and other localities where actual starvation broke out. They weighed even less than the averages proposed, and didn't even need to be deported because they were dying well before deportations even started.
Clearly, you haven't been following the discussion. Presumably you switched off when your comrade-in-belief started spewing out pretend quadratic equations but it seems to have escaped your notice that even Snakey accepted the Provan experiment.
Now you're backing off and trying to throw poo at it because the results don't suit your incredulity. Well, tough cookies.
Instead of simply casting doubt on everything in a vain attempt to conjure up a gotcha, please present your sourced, scientifically validated figures and tell us how it really was.
Oh wait, you never do that. Silly me.
LOL. It would take a great deal more than dumping other bodies or even coversoil to cut off the oxygen supply. The bodies weren't wrapped in polythene. Decomposition occurs in all burials. It just takes place more slowly than if a body is left above ground. Quicklime isn't some sort of bodybuilding solution which can magically prevent changes from taking place in multi-corpse layered mass graves over the course of days, weeks, months.
This isn't a 'latest one', but has been pointed out several times before. You're simply too incompetent to respond coherently to points under discussion.
It shouldn't need to be explained to someone who is supposedly familiar with this history. Belzec was the first of the AR camps. It had a smaller acreage than the other camps. When the graves were obviously overflowing, the killing stopped and the camp went over to exhuming and cremating the bodies, which was evidently deemed to be a full-time task, preventing the camp from continuing to operate. Moreover, there were other potential killing sites in close reach. Jews surviving in Lublin area could be killed at Majdanek or Sobibor, Jews in the Krakow district could be and were sent west to Auschwitz.
Treblinka and Sobibor were built later on than Belzec, and allotted more space since they were not pilot facilities like Belzec had been. They had enough space that they could continue to operate on a lower scale in 1943 while the bodies were being cremated.
And here we have Dogzilla engaging in yet more projection. It's deniers - including you - who seem to believe that you can prove something was 'impossible', therefore an event didn't happen. Nobody is arguing the converse, they are simply disagreeing with the claim of impossibility by a tiny handful of ideologically motivated axe-grinders.
By all conventional standards of historical proof, Belzec happened, end of story - we have multiple contemporary sources identifying it as a death camp, many other sources which only make any sense if that was true, a fair number of witnesses, mainly German, Ukrainian and Polish, saying it was a death camp, and the evidence of physical investigations in 1945 and the 1990s which identified mass graves and masses of human remains.
The deniers spent decades attacking one piece of evidence only - a single witness, Gerstein, and thinking that doing so would not only handwave Belzec away but would cause all the other camps to vanish in a puff of smoke. Then an Italian doofus named Mattogno came up with the mass-graves-aren't-big-enough argument. Until that doofus advanced the argument, nobody was discussing whether Belzec was "possible" or not. Indeed after that doofus came up with the argument, nobody outside the internet was discussing whether Belzec was possible.
Mattogno's argument was countered in 2006, to which he tried to reply, which has led to the current spiral of is-too/is-not nonsense, propagated effectively by about 10 people on the internet - Mattogno, some of his sidekicks, SnakeTongue, and you, countered by an even smaller number of people who disagree with such tosspottery. I don't even notice many chimps at CODOH trying the mass-graves-are-too-small line on. Not that long ago, the chimps at CODOH were denying there were any graves at Belzec at all.
And no, the Holocaust is far from the only event where pseudoscientific discussions are started by ideologically motivated axe grinders; just look next door to the 9/11 forum, or at the JFK conspiracy theories thread; or god help you, the Moon Hoax thread. If you read Russian, you could have a whale of a time reading crankery about Katyn, too.
The denier argument basically amounts to the same nonsense as Daniken and other loonies saying, the pyramids were too big to be built by mere mortals, therefore aliens.
Could someone please post that History Channel gif to underscore this analogy, and keep on posting it every time this nonsense comes up.
Another nonsensical word salad. And you gotta love the spam request.
