Trayvon Martin, Vigilante Justice

[kedo1981]

And this is a purported “rational” forum.
Imagine what the forums that don’t give a hang about reason and evidence and rationality are going on about.

 

[LTC8K6]

What kind of preparation would you need to do to honestly account for your assets and passport status?

The only reason they are delaying is because of the real damage George has done and the risks involved in letting him get up on the stand to explain his lie.

The delay is in O'Mara trying to convince George that he's an idiot for thinking he should just get up there and give the prosecutors a whack at him.

I bet O'Mara is telling him to just sit in jail until trial.

Not a bad idea. They already waived a speedy trial. The trial is at least a year off barring something odd like an SYG dismissal.

So when he gets convicted of one of the lower manslaughter charges, he can possibly be released on time served.

It would be easier on him that way, imo.

 

[johnny karate]

Actually if you listen to the audio the twenty seconds the judge gives to it after the prosecution worked itself into a foamy lather, ('we're investigating whether he could obtain a passport through Peru!') actually makes the prosecution look kinda silly, especially when the prosecutor has to admit at that point he knows O'Mara had gotten the passport weeks ago.

Last night, the San Antonio Spurs had more points in the paint, more second chance points, and more fastbreak points then the Oklahoma City Thunder. And yet this morning, no one is talking about that. I wonder why...

It looks like they scored a 'goal' with the legal defense fund though, the judge wondered aloud why the prosecution didn't have charges ready to file. That must count as a 'good day' for them, (and perhaps you) if the interest is just for punishing GZ for anything they can find. I think that's actually destructive of justice, and consider it a travesty.

Zimmerman conspired to deceive the court, and got caught. Now he's suffering the consequences of his actions. How you see that as either "destructive of justice" or "a travesty" is beyond me.

This whole case is nothing but 'spin.' The requisite talent is 'unspinning' in this one. You know those outlets that started this whole mess with representations of George Zimmerman gunning down a pre-teen TM who was begging for his life and the cops just let the uninjured Zimmerman waltz away? Perhaps employing some skepticism with those outlets on this issue might be wise?

So we're back to indicting the media? Yawn. I'm pretty sure the media didn't force Zimmerman to lie.

I suspect there's quite a few people who are to blame for his misfortune, and I hope they see a jail cell as well--they can have a mirror too!

Like who?

 

[Dan O.]

Not a bad idea. They already waived a speedy trial. The trial is at least a year off barring something odd like an SYG dismissal.

So when he gets convicted of one of the lower manslaughter charges, he can possibly be released on time served.

It would be easier on him that way, imo.

That's right. Why should George be the only one to get a new set of wheels out of this. If George sits in prison, he won't need that $200k for living expenses so there will be more for O'Mara (to use for George's defense of course).

 

[johnny karate]

There are no shades of grey. Either you are a liar, or you are not.
Have you ever told a lie, johnny karate ? I would be willing to bet you have. So you are probably a liar too. End of story.

I don't understand how anyone on this forum can get on a high horse about lying. Are you all going to tell me that you've NEVER told a lie? Unless that's true, I hope none of you ever need people to rely on your credibility.

This is a fun new tactic! Everyone lies, so what's the big deal?

No, I actually think the context of what the lie was and other circumstances matter. Sorry, I think I disagree with you.

Of course context matters. And the context here is that Zimmerman conspired to deceive the court. He allowed his wife to take the stand and perjure herself on his behalf, and he allowed his lawyer to present material falsehoods in court documents.

Zimmerman didn't lie about taking the last slice of pizza. In the the first and only (at the time) legal proceeding related to this case, Zimmerman has proven himself to be unscrupulous and untrustworthy.

 

[Rare Truth]

Potted palm + primrose path = mad judge.

Bad, bad! Georgie porgie.

 

[johnny karate]

I agree with you here about his credibilty about the start of the confrontation taking a huge blow with this. However, I do still think the evidence supports his story.

Yes, clearly:

WHAT? He was shot because he was banging someone's head on the ground not merely because he looked suspicious!

Too bad that story you believe (or at least the aspect you've indicated above) relies on taking the word of a proven liar.

 

[Noztradamus]

Seems like GZ should have shot a lot more people if he shoots suspicious folks.

Well he'd only been doing it for five months. Martin was the first he'd managed to spook into running. Can't shoot em if they don't run.

 

[GWCarver]

And this is a purported “rational” forum.
Imagine what the forums that don’t give a hang about reason and evidence and rationality are going on about.

So, what do you see here that isn't rational?

 

[crimresearch]

Well he'd only been doing it for five months. Martin was the first he'd managed to spook into running. Can't shoot em if they don't run.

Ahhh... so none of the others that Zimmerman called about actually got away? The police just don't know where he buried the bodies?

I think you may want to carry that idea over to a more suitable forum.

 

[LTC8K6]

Well he'd only been doing it for five months. Martin was the first he'd managed to spook into running. Can't shoot em if they don't run.

Well, he let the kids playing in the street off with just a warning shot. Otherwise his total would be higher.

It's good of him to call the police first. A real trooper. He could just shoot and let some bystander call.

 

[johnny karate]

It's good of him to call the police first. A real trooper. He could just shoot and let some bystander call.

Not that I think Zimmerman was intent on shooting Martin when he left his car to follow him, but I do find it amusing that it is thought that someone who has now proven himself to have all the guile and foresight of a tree stump couldn't possibly be stupid enough to intentionally kill someone after calling the police.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

....At least unless further information comes up concerning the passports, I'm going to accept that this was simply a mistake. The alternative would require O'Mara to be in the middle of the conspiracy to hide the passport

Motion to Revoke Bond

Prosecutors Say Zimmerman Hid Second Passport, Lied About Money

Prosecutors said Zimmerman got his second passport after claiming he’d lost his original one, which expired at the end of May 2012. It was that original passport which he turned over to the court; the second passport, which is valid until 2014, remained in his possession.

When did he give the second passport to the attorney and wouldn't the attorney have immediately informed the court of this? I missed that part.

Also note the recorded jail conversation. GZ told his wife to keep his good passport safe before he turned over the other passport to the court. He knew he wasn't giving the court his only passport. What a fool. Did he think the prosecutors wouldn't have a separate inquiry about passports with the Passport Office?

 

[Rare Truth]

Originally Posted by crimresearch
Current US passport. 'Current'. As you are well aware, O'mara pointed out that it was expired, so it wasn't current. It wasn't useable....

Just another area where you are again - woefully wrong.

 

[BenBurch]

How often you lie to a Court?

Courts hear provable lies every day. There are rarely consequences of any sort.

 

[marksman]

ETA - If the judge doesn't think it is important enough to revoke bail, de la Rionda will have a hard time convincing a jury it is proof that he is a murderer.

The judge did think it was important enough to revoke bail -- the judge has revoked his bail. If the judge reinstates his bail it will be because of facts demonstrated that either rehabilitate GZ's credibility (unlikely) or that are independent of his credibility.

At that's exactly how it will play out in his trial. If he is acquitted, it will be because they rehabilitate his credibility (unlikely), because of evidence that does not rely on his credibility, or simply because the State could not prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt.

Courts hear provable lies every day. There are rarely consequences of any sort.

True. but in this case, there was a consequence. A very serious consequence.

 

[Giz]

And this is a purported “rational” forum.
Imagine what the forums that don’t give a hang about reason and evidence and rationality are going on about.

Hmmmm, folks on JREF are admirably skeptical regarding religion, dowsing and uri geller. I have yet to see any indication that, on the subjects that JREFers are emotionally invested in, that they are any more skeptical than the general public.

 

[eeyore1954]

Based on what I have seen to date and what as come out about GZ and his proven track record as a liar and his conviction for violence. Ihave come to the view he adn he alone was the root cause of this tragedy, his word is clearly unrelaible so we cannot take at face value what he says about it.

If he gets off on a plea bargain I do hope TMs parent launch a civil case against him.

I would hate to have you on the jury if I was being tried for something.

 

[Giz]

So said the lying Zimmerman...

There is physical evidence to support it. And nothing (that we know of) that disproves it.

That alone seems like it should rule out murder 2 (and really manslaughter as well). But who knows how a jury will see it?

 

[johnny karate]

WHAT? He was shot because he was banging someone's head on the ground not merely because he looked suspicious!

So said the lying Zimmerman...

There is physical evidence to support it.

Not really.

The physical evidence in question are the injuries to the back of Zimmerman's head.

The only evidence to indicate those injuries were received from Martin banging Zimmerman's head on the ground is the word of a proven liar.