JFK Conspiracy Theories: It Never Ends

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Eddie Dane said:
I recently looked up Dealy Plaza/Elmstreet on Google streetview and maps.
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After looking at the many photographs and the film, the first thing you notice when you visit Dealey Plaza in person is how small it is. You can practically spit from Abraham Zapruder's vantage point to the Grassy Knoll.

The distance from the window to the motorcade is not any farther than an infantry rifleman would be expected to shoot. And the motorcade's travel along the line of sight makes for easier sighting. What's harder, in my opinion, is to shoot from the Grassy Knoll essentially across the motorcade's line of travel. It's a much harder to shot to set up, and the slope of the street (which isn't always apparent in photographic records) makes for a shooting window of just a very few seconds.

Granted, I'm not an expert at shooting Presidents, but it doesn't take more than a few minutes at Dealey Plaza to realize how absurd the Grassy Knoll assassin theory is. If you've ever fired a rifle at a moving target (which I have, many times) the choice of sniper's nest is pretty obvious.
 
Eddie Dane said:
I haven't read the thread.
But has probably included the "impossible shot" claim.

I recently looked up Dealy Plaza/Elmstreet on Google streetview and maps.

It's quite interesting to just look around.

Why was supposed to be an impossible shot?
Its a high building along a street, for chisssakes.

There is an inconvenient tree in the way, but that would interrupt visual contact between the car and the shooter for a couple of seconds at most.
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It was pretty close for a .30-06. The only thing about LHO's shot that was the least bit difficult was that he was shooting at a moving target. OTOH, the target was moving slowly and close to the axis of the shot, so it wasn't all that difficult. Thousands of deer hunters make considerably more difficult shots every fall.
 
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Eddie Dane said:
I haven't read the thread.
But has probably included the "impossible shot" claim.

I recently looked up Dealy Plaza/Elmstreet on Google streetview and maps.

It's quite interesting to just look around.

Why was supposed to be an impossible shot?
Its a high building along a street, for chisssakes.

There is an inconvenient tree in the way, but that would interrupt visual contact between the car and the shooter for a couple of seconds at most.
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No, it would probably prevent a shot, but actually would not interrupt the shooter's ability to see the car and track the victim in the least.

Check it out yourself in the Secret Service film recreation link below. (The portion viewing the target car from the sniper's nest starts about 3:29 in):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjTPXqlKjrI&feature=relmfu

Watch as the limo goes behind the tree. You can still track the car and the victim, as the tree is quite small and the two major branches obscuring the limo are sparsely populated with leaves.
 
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CORed said:
OTOH, the target was moving slowly and close to the axis of the shot, so it wasn't all that difficult. Thousands of deer hunters make considerably more difficult shots every fall.
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That was my impression as well. It's not an "impossible" shot at all. The target's motion is much more apparent and disruptive from the Grassy Knoll. All you have to do is stand on the knoll and watch ordinary traffic go past to see why you'd want to avoid that shot if at all possible. Keep in mind too that Oswald had to break his aim to operate the rifle's action. Having to reacquire and resight the target complicated his shot.
 
In all this ... hullabaloo.. I don't think I've ever heard how Gov. Connally's wounds could be accounted for from a grassy knoll shot or a shot from the driver (buh bye 74evah) or how the shot that hit the Gov.could not have hit Kennedy.
 
Wolrab said:
In all this ... hullabaloo.. I don't think I've ever heard how Gov. Connally's wounds could be accounted for from a grassy knoll shot or a shot from the driver (buh bye 74evah) or how the shot that hit the Gov.could not have hit Kennedy.
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Well, to be fair, I don't think any conspiracy theorist thinks there was only one shooter behind the grassy knoll or was just the driver.

I think it's safe to say all believe that there were multiple shooters - including shooters behind the limo.

The problem with multiple shooters however, is how could the conspirators guarantee the only bullets or fragments would be traceable to Oswald's weapon to the exclusion of all other weapons in the world, and how could they guarantee there wouldn't be wounds that don't track back to the sixth floor SE corner window of the Depository?

That is why the conspiracy theorists find it necessary to enlarge the conspiracy -- with all the wounds, bullets and fragments pointing to Oswald's rifle from Oswald's place of work, they must conjecture a larger conspiracy to alter the wounds, alter the x-rays and photos, and plant or substitute (or both!) bullets and fragments that point to Oswald from the originals which, they believe, would point elsewhere.

And of course, since the Z-film doesn't show this supposed damage to the head that should be evident from a knoll shot, it too has now become part of the evidence that has been altered, they argue.

Hank
 
CORed said:
It was pretty close for a .30-06. The only thing about LHO's shot that was the least bit difficult was that he was shooting at a moving target. OTOH, the target was moving slowly and close to the axis of the shot, so it wasn't all that difficult. Thousands of deer hunters make considerably more difficult shots every fall.
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And note that, in the grand scheme, LHO wasn't all that accurate. Assuming the target was JFK's head, he only hit it in 1/3 shots. But he didn't need to be a highly accurate marksman, he only needed to be able to hit the target once to be successful.
 
pgwenthold said:
And note that, in the grand scheme, LHO wasn't all that accurate. Assuming the target was JFK's head, he only hit it in 1/3 shots. But he didn't need to be a highly accurate marksman, he only needed to be able to hit the target once to be successful.
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As I wrote earlier LHO was arguably somewhat of a lucky SOB given the accuracy of the first two shots, but then the third shot was arguably the easiest, given that the relative movement of the target from the shooter's point of view decreased as the limo progressed down Elm Street.
 
And note that, in the grand scheme, LHO wasn't all that accurate. Assuming the target was JFK's head, he only hit it in 1/3 shots. But he didn't need to be a highly accurate marksman, he only needed to be able to hit the target once to be successful.
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You could argue that the third shot was a total fluke.
 
Assuming the target was JFK's torso, he's 1 for 3.

Assuming JFK was the target, he's 2 for 3.

Assuming Nellie Connally was the target, he's just terrible.
 
Right. Now look at the conspiracy theorists typical course of fire. Professional assassins were sent to kill JFK in their patented crossfire of ultimate doom and what did they accomplish?

One misses the limo entirely.
Another misses JFK's head and hits him in the throat.
Yet another misses JFK's head and hits him in the back.
Another misses JFK entirely and hits Connally.
Until FINALLY one hits him in the head.

Who was the incompetent boob who hired these incompetent assassins?
 
Just a question... has anyone ever come forward claiming to be an insider working for whatever shadowy agency it was that supposedly killed JFK? Or has the conspiracy somehow been
I feel like there'd be quite a lot of money for anyone that made such assertions, whether they had any basis in reality or not.
 
matt.tansy said:
Right. Now look at the conspiracy theorists typical course of fire. Professional assassins were sent to kill JFK in their patented crossfire of ultimate doom and what did they accomplish?

One misses the limo entirely.
Another misses JFK's head and hits him in the throat.
Yet another misses JFK's head and hits him in the back.
Another misses JFK entirely and hits Connally.
Until FINALLY one hits him in the head.

Who was the incompetent boob who hired these incompetent assassins?
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Hang on a second ... what about the other ... oh, I don't know ... let's say half dozen(?) ... shots that Rude Robert seems to believe could have been fired? 'Incompetent' seems to be a gross under-statement!
 
I am Bigfoot said:
Just a question... has anyone ever come forward claiming to be an insider working for whatever shadowy agency it was that supposedly killed JFK? Or has the conspiracy somehow been
I feel like there'd be quite a lot of money for anyone that made such assertions, whether they had any basis in reality or not.
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James FilesWP. However, he's so non-credible that even a lot of conspiracists don't believe him.
 
Foreknowledge of the Assassination

If we can spin this thread in a new direction, there was one foreign government that knew in advance that it was possible that JFK would be assassinated on 11/22/63 and that government was monitoring radio broadcasts from Dallas that day so they would hear the first reports if there was an attempt on JFK's life.

Can anyone tell me what government that was?
 
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