Obama bribed Reverend Wright to shut up

Upchurch said:
But it does say he invented them, or else was lied to and gullibly bought into it. Do things this man says suddenly have credibility and accountability when he says it comes from a specific person?
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Why yes it does, because now the source can be checked by others. This is not possible if the source is anonymous.

Upchurch said:
Honestly, WildCat, I'm not the one playing here. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and even if the claim itself weren't extraordinary (and it is), the fact that it comes from someone as dishonest as Klein suggests that at least some verification is warranted. It's not my job to disprove the claim, it's the job of those who advocate or defend the claim to support it.
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The claim doesn't come from Klein, it comes from Wright. If Klein had said an anonymous source told him Wright was offered $150K to keep quiet I'd be very skeptical. I'm not skeptical when it's a named source, because if the interview and quote were simply made up it would be found out very quickly.

Upchurch said:
If you think the claim has merit, explain why or, better, support it with creditable evidence.
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Yes, I think Wright told Klein someone from the Obama campaign offered him $150K to shut up until after the election.

Note I have not said I believe Wright's claim is truthful, only that he did in fact tell that story to Klein.
 
Upchurch said:
So, you were the source of the quote until you said this, right?
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Nope, he just made it up.

Upchurch said:
That's what you're saying. That until Wright denies having said it, he is the source of the quote.
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I'm saying there's no reason to believe Klein fabricated his interview with Wright. And he has no history of fabricating interviews with anyone else either.

Upchurch said:
Regardless, you once told me, "I like to fling my own poo at people on the street while standing on my head and reciting 'Where The Wild Things Are' in Spanish." You are the source of that quote until you deny it. And it is odd that you have yet to deny it. You must have said it.

Of course, if you ever do deny it, someone (maybe me, maybe someone else) will come up with another unsupported quote that will have you as the source, until you deny it. On and on it will go until you either spend all your time denying having said all these unsupported statements or you decide it isn't worth your time addressing every stupid thing someone decides attribute to you and, instead, get on with your life.

This is why the burden of proof is on the person making the claim, not person about whom the claim is made. More to the point, this is why Klein is currently the source of the quote, not Wright. If Klein had more credibility, he might be given more benefit of the doubt. As it is, it is up to Klein to provide some sort of evidence that this conversation took place.
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It's clear you don't know what the word "source" means wrt reporting.

Klein is the reporter, Wright is the source.
 
BenBurch said:
Like when Mitt Romney said "It's a good thing I was in the employ of the KGB all those years; It means I have a job to go to if I don't cully the people into electing me."

Now, prove he didn't say it.
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Let me know when you get snippets of your Romney interview published in a major newspaper.
 
marplots said:
So, when you said, "Obama bribed," you really meant, "one of Obama's friends?"

I get confused by thread titles.
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What is more likely?
Obama used someone to bribe Wright or a "friend" would have such a big heart to fork over so much money out of love for Obama?
 
dc1971 said:
And what Reverend Wright said was many years ago.

You can answer any time, WildCat! Seriously!

What real harmful effect is Reverend Wright's "God Damn America" speech having on anyone?
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Apparently when there is a shortage of fresh pooh to fling, any old stale pooh will dooh.
 
marplots said:
So, when you said, "Obama bribed," you really meant, "one of Obama's friends?"
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Or rather, according to Wright, one of Obama's friends offered an indirect bribe to Wright via another member of his congregation.

Sure, that's pretty much the same thing as the claim that Obama bribed Wright to shut up! :rolleyes:
 
Bill Thompson said:
What is more likely?
Obama used someone to bribe Wright or a "friend" would have such a big heart to fork over so much money out of love for Obama?
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You have excluded the middle. It's more likely that a friend would do it simply for political purposes. But love is up there. Sure. I think it very unlikely that this was Obama's idea or that he would know anything about it assuming it even happened.
 
Neally said:
A man is known by the company he keeps.
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So that whole judging people by their actions is now ancient history?

Hey most of my friends are Republicans. Does that mean I'm officially into the conservative club?
 
This is a fun little walk down memory lane. While we're strolling... anybody know if Glenn Beck ever denied the incident with the girl in 1980? ;)
 
applecorped said:
Why don't you start a thread about it?
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Perhaps I was too subtle. "True until denied" is an inherently silly concept, as wonderfully demonstrated by Glenn Beck and parodies thereof.

Merely pointing out a parallel to your arguments about Wright's lack of denials.
 
Aoidoi said:
Perhaps I was too subtle. "True until denied" is an inherently silly concept, as wonderfully demonstrated by Glenn Beck and parodies thereof.

Merely pointing out a parallel to your arguments about Wright's lack of denials.
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My arguments?


I'm sure Wright will deny it eventually. Maybe it will take another 150k though.
 
WildCat said:
I'm saying there's no reason to believe Klein fabricated his interview with Wright. And he has no history of fabricating interviews with anyone else either.
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But he does have a history of fabricating sources.

WildCat said:
It's clear you don't know what the word "source" means wrt reporting.
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I do, actually. Do you understand what "purported source" means, wrt reporting?

More to the point. None of us have direct knowledge of what Wright may or may not have said. We only have direct knowledge of what Klein says Wright said. Until verified, Wright is no more the source of the comment than you were the source of the "I fling poo" comment.

WildCat said:
Klein is the reporter
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You are being generous.
 
marplots said:
So now I have to think well of Wright because he hung out with a future President of the United States? That's a stretch.
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RandFan said:
Guilt by association fallacy.
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A single example proves nothing. On the other hand multiple examples that show a pattern is not a fallacy. Known socialists have endorsed and been attracted to BO and his politics. I've cited numerous examples in another thread. Likewise BO has been attracted to them and their politics. Clearly there is an affinity and mutual attraction. The fact that BO ranked #1 as most liberal senator in 2007 confirms this.
 
Neally said:
A single example proves nothing. On the other hand multiple examples that show a pattern is not a fallacy.
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Nope. A pattern of association still doesn't make guilt-by-association valid reasoning.

Jesus was supposed to have purposely associated with sinners. Does it follow that he had to have been a sinner?
 
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