Actually, Tracey put her own details online, not a very smart thing to do if you don't want to be found. It's also not clever to put up business adverts with your name and phone number or to pretend to run the ACCP from your home if you don't want people to look you up.
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psionl0
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Maybe D'rok should have posted the link to the website where she lists her personal details.
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Maybe anyone stupid enough to get on Menards bandwagon needs a wake up call.
Tracey and Menard are setting up a scheme to separate people from their money for nothing in return.
Surely it's a good thing that when these people see the light and want their money back they have a point of contact?
PS D'rok, I meant defendant as opposed to plaintiff, one too many Vodkas when I posted.
Tracey and Menard are setting up a scheme to separate people from their money for nothing in return.
Surely it's a good thing that when these people see the light and want their money back they have a point of contact?
PS D'rok, I meant defendant as opposed to plaintiff, one too many Vodkas when I posted.
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D'rok
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That website was http://www.consumerpurchasers.ca. Apparently, now she thinks it's better to lie about where the "business" is located than to post her own address and phone number.
gmanontario
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If I have time I can swing over there next week and snap a pic of the building directory. It's about a 5 minute walk away from where I work.
Let me make sure the cellphone is charged up first.
JB would you like a pic of that for your records?
Let me make sure the cellphone is charged up first.
JB would you like a pic of that for your records?
Just signed up to menards ACCP newsletter.
Just look at the ACCPs new address
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Association of Canadian Consumer Purchasers
66 Wellington Street
Toronto, On M6C 1C7
Canada
A quick scan of the tenants at the Dominion centre indicates that the ACCP isnt a tenant.
http://www.tdcentre.com/en/tenants/T...Directory.aspx
Conman.
Email sent to Tenants leasing manager
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His scheme is an outright con, no doubt, yet perhaps we are not giving him enough 'credit' for this con, especially JB.
I have reason to believe that he truly does have a larger following that we think (1000's), that he does have lawyers (albeit failed ones) working with him,and that he has indeed placed his 'executive team' rather quickly from his pool of marks.
I would further speculate based on observation that Menard the clown also makes a good living for himself, does have the physical address in the heart of the business district, with an actual office..and Tracey is not Rob, but one of his many cult members.
The frightening thing is that I feel strongly that Menard actually believes the garbage he spews, and that many many others will be recruited in the coming months....
I have reason to believe that he truly does have a larger following that we think (1000's), that he does have lawyers (albeit failed ones) working with him,and that he has indeed placed his 'executive team' rather quickly from his pool of marks.
I would further speculate based on observation that Menard the clown also makes a good living for himself, does have the physical address in the heart of the business district, with an actual office..and Tracey is not Rob, but one of his many cult members.
The frightening thing is that I feel strongly that Menard actually believes the garbage he spews, and that many many others will be recruited in the coming months....
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Hahahahah.... good one.
If you really believe Menard has a following and is making money then can you explain why he has resorted to FILMING HIMSELF dressed like a hobo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...UJ9WymQvwv2Lt2nHcXA4tsw&v=TyQSEcdY6Mc#t=1645s
I would wager its because he has no friends and no money.
Can you explain why he never practices what he preaches then?
Can you also explain why not one of his thousand Facebook friends decided to sign in here when he gave away his log on details?
Surely at least one would have seized the opportunity to insult his detractors.
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D'rok
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On what reason do you base this?
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Typing from my tablet, so excuse my short and direct replies in advance.
I dont beleive for a minute his rubbish, and he certainly is a despicle human, but, so was Mike Tyson in his time, and he was still a formidle foe.
I do not think he was dressed as a hobo, he was dressed anti corporate, which his marks would relate too. Also, notice he had enough pull to have a film crew filming him as he was being filmed.
As for his thousand FB friends, i dont know, however i dont feel it proves or disproves that he has a following. I base my opinion on his abilityntomstart these projectsetc.
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carll68, you really need to do a bit of research on Menard, the guy has failed at everything he has set out to do over the last 12 years.
Comparing him to Mike Tyson the convicted rapist is a little ironic when you research the Elizabeth Anne Elaine Society and why Robert set it up.
Robert dresses the way he does because he has no money , dressing down to an audience doesn't mean you have to be dirty as well, did you see the neck on that vest/t-shirt he had on?
Oh Robert starts a lot of things, he just never finishes anything.
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Are you gauging that as success?
Comparing him to Mike Tyson the convicted rapist is a little ironic when you research the Elizabeth Anne Elaine Society and why Robert set it up.
Robert dresses the way he does because he has no money , dressing down to an audience doesn't mean you have to be dirty as well, did you see the neck on that vest/t-shirt he had on?
Oh Robert starts a lot of things, he just never finishes anything.
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Are you gauging that as success?
Mojo
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I too would be interested to know what reasons you have to believe these things.
Any reasons behind these speculations?
psionl0
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We don't seem to know much about Tracey. We don't know whether she is a dupe or co-conspirator. I have even seen some speculation that Rob is Tracey. It is very dangerous to name and shame someone in those circumstances.
Peddling BS for profit is fraud in most cases (religion excepted). Why hasn't anybody gone to the police and made a complaint about Meynard?
Menard’s failed carrier as a stand up comic taught him something about stage presence. At one point in his freeman career Menard tried to look like a trim, well groomed cool dude. In some of his older YouTubes he had on a black fez, a black suit and a black turtleneck.
Menard was trying to present the image of a hip somebody who knew what he was talking about didn’t buy into traditional ways of thinking.
The grunge look may be the new look of the freeman cult. Many of the newer self-appointed professors of freemanism seem to be into the “where’d I put that bar of soap?” look and certainly won’t be confused with Cary Grant.
The manipulative Menard has enough sense to realize that an audience of potential ACCP subscribers made up, in part, of poor souls trying to deal with their credit card bills and home foreclosures aren’t going to bond with a well tailored hipster.
But in other ways the new look works for Bobby. Since those early days the old boy has lost some hair, gained some weight and suffered several career set backs. Now, for the poor ole boy, it’s all about hiding things . . .the bald head, the beer belly, the failures and the absurdity of the latest scam.
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Because MENARD doesnt actually break the law, he stays just on the cusp.
Im pretty sure if the ACCP does get investigated Menard will be in the clear and someone else will take the fall.
err..she named herself didn't she?
Peddling BS for 'donations' isn't.
All Menards previous nonsense carried a disclaimer (for entertainment purposes only) the ACCP site doesn't as yet, Im pretty sure it will at some point though.
I think the authorities are up to date on Mr. Menard‘s activities.
psionl0
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Don't make me think that Meynard isn't a total idiot.
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Why do you keep calling him Maynard?
He isn't a total idiot, if he were he would be 'travelling' around in his uninsured untaxed carriage without any plates.
Menard knows what he's doing all right.
He isn't a total idiot, if he were he would be 'travelling' around in his uninsured untaxed carriage without any plates.
Menard knows what he's doing all right.
psionl0
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Maybe I should call him "late for breakfast".
If Menard is the enemy then his stooges are a distraction. He might be trying a divide and conquer approach to JREF so I won't say anymore.
The diversity of reasons posters here express for their disagreement with Menard and his behavior are not really his central problem.
Perhaps in the FMOTL web world of pointless forum chatter getting freeman debunkers to differ on exactly how and why Menard is so ding dang messed up constitutes some sort of tactical victory. But, in the real world Menard’s ten plus years of courtroom and street level failures coupled with the ever growing weirdness and dysfunctionality of the freeman cult foretell a bad ending the Menardian version of freemanism.
Menard’s real problem is the trail of ruined lives he leaves in his wake.
Sovereigns citizens, tax protesters, detaxers, free willed men, freemen, or whatever the boys are calling themselves today have a decades long history of throwing over old, failed gurus for newer trendy ones.
Eventually Menard will be thrown on the slag heap of bad ideas.
Perhaps in the FMOTL web world of pointless forum chatter getting freeman debunkers to differ on exactly how and why Menard is so ding dang messed up constitutes some sort of tactical victory. But, in the real world Menard’s ten plus years of courtroom and street level failures coupled with the ever growing weirdness and dysfunctionality of the freeman cult foretell a bad ending the Menardian version of freemanism.
Menard’s real problem is the trail of ruined lives he leaves in his wake.
Sovereigns citizens, tax protesters, detaxers, free willed men, freemen, or whatever the boys are calling themselves today have a decades long history of throwing over old, failed gurus for newer trendy ones.
Eventually Menard will be thrown on the slag heap of bad ideas.
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http://consumerpurchasers.ca/?p=1
The ACCP has a comments blog, dont bother asking any uncomfortable questions though, they delete them
I asked why if it was legitimate wouldn't bank tellers or managers be aware of the process and why would a group of people have any more success than an individual?
The ACCP has a comments blog, dont bother asking any uncomfortable questions though, they delete them
I asked why if it was legitimate wouldn't bank tellers or managers be aware of the process and why would a group of people have any more success than an individual?
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