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The Great Debate: "Has Science Refuted Religion?"

Science + Religion == Homemade Mayonnaise

Tastes good to some. Seems like a good idea. Makes sense out of fish and chips. Has become cultural. Needs endless whipping.

Yeah, that works.
 
punshhh said:
The only knowledge I have alluded to with reference to mysticism is the realisation of the truth of situation one finds oneself in, through a consideration of what we do not know. There are other approaches to mystical knowledge which are regarded as woo on this forum.

I am saying that in spite of the discoveries of science, I still don't know what is our origin and neither does anyone else.

To be explicit, we don't know what exists*, what existence is or how it came to be.


* If you think you know that a particular thing exists, think again.
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Right, Reality Works In Mysterious Ways.


:eye-poppi
 
TheGoldcountry said:
that's to keep it from separating in the jar. if you whip it up fresh, and don't let it sit, you don't have to worry about it
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Yes, like vinaigrette, if left alone it will separate, without an emulsifying agent. What this tells us about religion and science I'm not sure, but probably about as much as the rest of this discussion.
 
paiute said:
You keep making my point. Belief does not touch reality. Reality does not budge belief. They lie on orthogonal axes.
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If your point is that people sometimes hold irrational beliefs, I doubt that anyone on this board will disagree with you, but I also don't really see why you think it's particularly interesting to point this out.

No one is saying "science has made all religious people change their minds!" They are saying that the scientific understanding of the world, when looked at rationally, leads to the conclusion that religions are false: that gods are the product of the human mind, rather than the other way around.

For any person who is truly interested in how the world is, that's an important fact to take into account when looking at religion, and thus science impacts their religious beliefs. For instance, it impacts mine, in so much as it has led me to the above conclusions.
 
You DO realize the OP was the video not the topic of the debate itself, including many MANY posts focusing on the arguments of the debaters whom themselves talked more than to just the topic itself?
 
Lowpro said:
You DO realize the OP was the video not the topic of the debate itself, including many MANY posts focusing on the arguments of the debaters whom themselves talked more than to just the topic itself?
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They may have had a lovely dinner beforehand as well, but the question posed is a non-starter. It doesn't matter whether studying science has led individuals to a Damascene conversion to atheism, any more than having a nice parish priest proves the existence of god. It's a matter of whether science has refuted religion, which it obviously hasn't.
 
Lowpro said:
You DO realize the OP was the video not the topic of the debate itself, including many MANY posts focusing on the arguments of the debaters whom themselves talked more than to just the topic itself?
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You DO realize that the video in the OP was accompanied by a quote that spelled out the topic as stated in the title of the thread?
 
mijopaalmc said:
You DO realize that the video in the OP was accompanied by a quote that spelled out the topic as stated in the title of the thread?
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You do realize that the topic doesn't really tell you what their arguments are, right? I mean if you want to be obtuse by all means go ahead, but don't look stupid while you're doing it.
 
westprog said:
They may have had a lovely dinner beforehand as well, but the question posed is a non-starter. It doesn't matter whether studying science has led individuals to a Damascene conversion to atheism, any more than having a nice parish priest proves the existence of god. It's a matter of whether science has refuted religion, which it obviously hasn't.
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And you have been here long enough to know damn well that the question may be a non starter, but their arguments have more content than just the question. These are things we've tried to discuss here before you decided to play dumb about an aphorism.
 
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