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Trayvon Martin, Vigilante Justice

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It appears the Zimmerman should be at least be up for 2nd degree murder.
But how will the guy ever get fair trial, you have every AA org making a daily statement about the case, Black panther/Muslim Nation putting out wanted posters, our moron legislators using this kids murder to get face time, talk about poisoning the well.
 
It's the picture the current evidence paints. Hopefully, the picture will become more clear as more information comes out. However, I'm not going to bother repeating what has been said on this thread. If you can't see the evidence for what it is, I'm sorry.

Maybe neither is a thug. Maybe this is just an unfortunate tragedy.
 
It appears the Zimmerman should be at least be up for 2nd degree murder.
But how will the guy ever get fair trial, you have every AA org making a daily statement about the case, Black panther/Muslim Nation putting out wanted posters, our moron legislators using this kids murder to get face time, talk about poisoning the well.

He isn't entitled to a fair trial anymore. The concrete on the accepted narrative is nearly cured.

Rep. Frederica Wilson (D-Florida): This is Treyvon Martin. Trayvon Martin's murderer is still at large. It's been one month, thirty days, with no arrest. I want America to see this sweet young boy who was hunted down like a dog, shot in the street, and his killer is still at large.

Not one person has been arrested in Treyvon's murder. I want to make sure that America knows that in Sanford, Florida, there was a young boy murdered. He is buried in Miami, Florida, and not one person has been arrested even though we all know who the murderer is. This was a standard case of racial profiling. No more! No more! We will stand for justice for Treyvon Martin.
Rep. Hank Johnson (D-Georgia): "He was executed for 'WWB' in a 'GC.' Walking While Black in a Gated Community."

The bounty on Zimmerman's head is supposed to reach $1M, btw.
 
Thus far the ones accusing Zimmerman of murder are the only ones who've been demanding a trial.

They are not demanding a trial...they are demanding a result.

Why would Zimmerman have gone to trial already? Even if he had been arrested and charged with murder immediately, it would be a long time before he went to trial, if ever.
 
Maybe neither is a thug. Maybe this is just an unfortunate tragedy.

True, and maybe it will turn out that they are both thugs who were both violent and confrontational. My only point is that right now, the evidence points to Z being the initiator the confrontation.
 
Zimmerman indeed thought Martin was heading for the back entrance; which makes me fail to understand why he was so worried. Why not just let Martin leave the neighborhood and goodbye? I mean, he saw Martin from the time he entered the complex and he hadn't broken into any houses, so why would it have been so bad for the (blank)hole to "get away"? What would he have been getting away with - walking slowly?

...and that's where I am in this thing. Martin hadn't been observed committing a crime.

As far as I can see, an unarmed, innocent man is dead through the use of a gun, and the guy who shot him cites "self defense" and skates. Police botch chances at actually investigating, and now what actually happened is pretty much anyone's guess.

Nightmare.
 
...and that's where I am in this thing. Martin hadn't been observed committing a crime.

As far as I can see, an unarmed, innocent man is dead through the use of a gun, and the guy who shot him cites "self defense" and skates. Police botch chances at actually investigating, and now what actually happened is pretty much anyone's guess.

Nightmare.

How did the police arrive at the 782.11 offense in their report? Surely an investigation occurred. They didn't pick that charge out of a hat.
 
They are not demanding a trial...they are demanding a result.

Why would Zimmerman have gone to trial already? Even if he had been arrested and charged with murder immediately, it would be a long time before he went to trial, if ever.

Formal charges and a trial is the result they're demanding.
 
that also happens to be the witness that also contradicts the police statement about her initial interview. I would not want to call her as a witness.

Yes, Mary Cutcher. She is 911 call number 6 on the City of sanford site.

MC: "it's a black guy."
Dispatcher: "What do you mean, it's a black guy? that got shot?"
MC: "I don't know"
...
MC: Theres a black guy standing up over him
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Honestly, you really need to listen to her call closely and judge for yourself.

I think it was worth reposting about this witness.
 
How did the police arrive at the 782.11 offense in their report? Surely an investigation occurred. They didn't pick that charge out of a hat.


You put down whatever comes closest to matching the elements as they seem to be at the time you are writing the report.

"Whoever shall unnecessarily kill another either while resisting an attempt by such other person to commit any felony, or to do any other unlawful act, or after such attempt shall have failed..."

It isn't a formal charge, the findings of an investigation, or even an assumption of guilt, it isn't carved in stone, it determines the CCN for the blotter, which later goes into the UCR.
 
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You put down whatever matches the elements as they seem to be at the time you are writing the report.

It isn't a formal charge, it isn't carved in stone, it determines the CCN for the blotter, which later goes into the UCR.

I think I can safely say it went much further than that. The SA was consulted that night.

SANFORD -- Despite public claims that there wasn’t enough probable cause to make a criminal case in the Trayvon Martin killing, early in the investigation the Sanford Police Department requested an arrest warrant from the Seminole County State Attorney’s office, the special prosecutor in the case told The Miami Herald on Tuesday.

A Sanford Police incident report shows the case was categorized as “homicide/negligent manslaughter.”

Asked to confirm that the police recommended a manslaughter charge, special prosecutor Angela Corey said: “I don’t know about that, but as far as the process I can tell you that the police went to the state attorney with a capias request, meaning: ‘We’re through with our investigation and here it is for you.’ The state attorney impaneled a grand jury, but before anything else could be done, the governor stepped in and asked us to pick it up in mid-stream.”

A capias is a request for charges to be filed.

The Seminole County State Attorney’s Office declined to comment on whether its prosecutors ever recommended against filing charges.

“If you go with what was reported in the press the first night, there would have been an arrest right away, but obviously something gave investigators pause,” said a source in the Seminole State Attorney’s office who did not want to speak publicly, because the case is now assigned to a different prosecutor. “We get capias warrants all the time. That doesn’t mean we file charges right away. We investigate to see if it’s appropriate. That’s the responsible thing to do.’’

The Seminole County State Attorney’s Office was consulted the night of Trayvon’s killing, but no prosecutor ever visited the scene. As the controversy intensified, Gov. Rick Scott replaced Seminole State Attorney Norm Wolfinger with Corey, the state attorney for Duval, Nassau and Clay counties, based in Jacksonville.

“The case now has a new state attorney, and they didn’t file charges the first day they got it, either,” the Seminole prosecutor who asked to remain anonymous said.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/27/2718130/sanford-cops-wanted-to-charge.html
 
...and that's where I am in this thing. Martin hadn't been observed committing a crime.

As far as I can see, an unarmed, innocent man is dead through the use of a gun, and the guy who shot him cites "self defense" and skates. Police botch chances at actually investigating, and now what actually happened is pretty much anyone's guess.

Nightmare.
The only person who seems to observed Martin doing anything is the shooter, and some witnesses talking about the fight. According to the shooter, the fight was a crime. Not proven, but that's the claim.

Apparently the police may have dropped the ball on several points while at the scene, but it was taken away from them early by the State's Attorney mentioned earlier.

As far as skating goes, that remains to be seen. If there is no trial in the face of all this attention, it would be unusual. There is certainly more than enough to make a ham sandwich at the grand jury.

If Zimmerman and his attorney can convince a trial jury, he gets the same results as anyone else. If they cannot convince a jury, he also get the same results.
 
Geez, Spike Lee is a huge loser.

First he tweets Zimmerman's address, which could prompt vigilante action. Strike one.

It was the wrong address. Strike two.

He hasn't retracted or apologized. Strike three.
 
I think I can safely say it went much further than that. The SA was consulted that night.





Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/27/2718130/sanford-cops-wanted-to-charge.html
Feel free to think you can 'safely say' whatever you want. Feel free to keep Googling articles on an entirely different matter and pretending they are the same.

The officers who signed the sworn initial statement had to put something in that blank, so they put the charge that looked likely based on the elements and what they knew at the time. They may have consulted the watch commander, the lead detective, or each other. It is still just a preliminary for blotter purposes

The homicide detective who tried to *file* the charge, had it rejected by the state's attorney.

I'm sure it's an exciting fantasy to imagine all sorts of things, but speaking practically, if a state's attorney told a police officer to falsify an ICR, or in any way slant things toward an assumption of guilt, it would cost somebody big time should that ever come out.
 
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Well, Spike Lee didn't actually tweet it; someone else did, and he passed it on. But I contend Spike Lee was a loser long before the death of Martin.
 
Honestly, I think formal charges, a trial, conviction, and then an execution is what they're demanding, and never mind about the evidence.

You may think so. I don't see Martin's parents demanding an execution. Those of us in this thread who argued in Martin's favor have only ever asked for a trial from the beginning.
 
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