Larry Silverstein explaining what he meant by 'pull it'

NoahFence said:
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I've asked you before and I'll ask you again: will you please make this your avatar? Even just for a day.

Make you a deal: make this your avatar for one week and I will convert to bedunkerism for one week.
 
ergo said:
I've asked you before and I'll ask you again: will you please make this your avatar? Even just for a day.

Make you a deal: make this your avatar for one week and I will convert to bedunkerism for one week.
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Sure, if I can.

I'll do it and put "I love Ergo" on it if you'd just answer one damn question.

Honestly.
 
ergo said:
Moreover still, "pull it" is not a firefighting term and never has been, and you have found zero instances of where this phrase has been used in this context. Zero.

You lose. Again.
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This is total BS. Why not take trip down to your local fire dept. and ask the firefighters what this term means. In fact, ask a “Probie” and see what he/she says.
 
ergo said:
Terms from older technologies frequently, and even usually, carry over into the new technology. "Pull it" is used in the demolition industry to describe a certain method of bringing down buildings. It is likely used casually as well, as shorthand for explosive demolition.
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No, it has never been used to refer to that and none of you truthers have ever shown where it has. You just believe it.

"Pull" is used in firefighting to refer to movements of firefighters
"Pull" is used in demoltiions to refer to literally whats going on (such as, to "pull" a building down with cables, or to "pull" a support column away etc).

"Pull it" has not and has never been shown in any quote I have ever seen to be a slang term to bring down a building with explosives. To claim otherwise is just a lie which is why you'll never, ever back this claim up.

Since "pull" is used in firefighting and there were firefighting operations that were indeed "pulled" away from WTC7, then "pull it" referring to these operations is a perfectly valid and perfectly understandable context for what Silverstein said.

You have also still never explained why it would make any sense that he would be saying this on TV, it is quite literally insane in every way possible to think he was talking about a demolition.

All you can do is claim you have addressed this all hundreds of times, but you'll never show where, isnt that right?
 
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Edx said:
No, it has never been used to refer to that and none of you truthers have ever shown where it has. You just believe it.

"Pull" is used in firefighting to refer to movements of firefighters
"Pull" is used in demoltiions to refer to literally whats going on (such as, to "pull" a building down with cables, or to "pull" a support column away etc).

"Pull it" has not and has never been shown in any quote I have ever seen to be a slang term to bring down a building with explosives. To claim otherwise is just a lie which is why you'll never, ever back this claim up.

Since "pull" is used in firefighting and there were firefighting operations that were indeed "pulled" away from WTC7, then "pull it" referring to these operations is a perfectly valid and perfectly understandable context for what Silverstein said.
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"Pull it" is an established demolition industry term. It is not an established firefighting term. I'm going to keep saying this until you get it. Okay?

To "pull" something, anything, is a turn of phrase used in hundreds of different contexts and industries. Your attempts to fashion it as a unique firefighting term are akin to claiming other common phrases like "kill it" or "we got burned" or "pull out" or "close in" or "move out" or "shut down" are unique to firefighting, even though they may, too, be used as expressions. It's ridiculous. Give it up.
 
ergo said:
"Pull it" is an established demolition industry term. It is not an established firefighting term. I'm going to keep saying this until you get it. Okay?
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Oh, then that means someone must of translated it to the member of the FDNY he was speaking with.



To "pull" something, anything, is a turn of phrase used in hundreds of different contexts and industries. Your attempts to fashion it as a unique firefighting term are akin to claiming other common phrases like "kill it" or "we got burned" or "pull out" or "close in" or "move out" or "shut down" are unique to firefighting, even though they may, too, be used as expressions. It's ridiculous. Give it up.
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ergo said:
"Pull it" is an established demolition industry term. It is not an established firefighting term. I'm going to keep saying this until you get it. Okay?

To "pull" something, anything, is a turn of phrase used in hundreds of different contexts and industries. Your attempts to fashion it as a unique firefighting term are akin to claiming other common phrases like "kill it" or "we got burned" or "pull out" or "close in" or "move out" or "shut down" are unique to firefighting, even though they may, too, be used as expressions. It's ridiculous. Give it up.
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I take it you don't really want me to change my avatar.

Don't worry, I didn't expect anything from you anyway.
 
ergo said:
"Pull it" is an established demolition industry term.
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Prove it then!

Its a lie and you know it, no truther has ever shown that it is a demolition term.

The word "pull" in demolitions has been used to refer to the literal act of whatever it is they are talking about. In firefighting "pull" is used to refer to movements of firefighters. You've been shown all this already.

Its not that "pull it" is a firefighting term, its that "pull" is used to refer to movements of firefighters and a firefighting operation is an "it", therefore "pull it" makes perfect sense.

I'm going to keep saying this until you get it.
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I dont want you to keep saying it, I want you to provide some evidence to back up what you are saying. I know you believe it really hard, but that isn't enough, sorry. You keep saying its been done hundreds of times, but we know you wont show it because you're lying, it hasn't.

To "pull" something, anything, is a turn of phrase used in hundreds of different contexts and industries.
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Correct. In both demolitions and firefighting is the word "pull" used.

Your attempts to fashion it as a unique firefighting term are akin to claiming...
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Who is doing that? You are the one that wants to restrict "pull it" only to demolitions which is why you refuse to accept that "pull it" could refer to firefighting.

"Pull it" isnt a firefightering term, nor is it a demolition term. "Pull" however is used to refer to movements of firefighters, "pull" in demolitions is used to refer to literally what they are doing.

Even if you showed "pull it" is a demolition term, which you havent because it isnt, it still wouldnt change the fact that "pull it" makes sense to be referring to the firefighting operations around 7. It is total insanity in every possible way for him to be referring to demolishing WTC7. But you cant even show "pull it" even means what you say it means. You're wrong in every possible way.
 
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ergo said:
"Pull it" is an established demolition industry term. It is not an established firefighting term. I'm going to keep saying this until you get it. Okay?

To "pull" something, anything, is a turn of phrase used in hundreds of different contexts and industries. Your attempts to fashion it as a unique firefighting term are akin to claiming other common phrases like "kill it" or "we got burned" or "pull out" or "close in" or "move out" or "shut down" are unique to firefighting, even though they may, too, be used as expressions. It's ridiculous. Give it up.
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Ergo, you're going to keep getting told until you get it, okay? You are partially right on the fact that it is an established demolition term. It got to be established because it relates to hooking cables up to an already damaged building and, literally, pulling it to the ground. It is not established to say, "Rig this building up with a bunch of explosives and we'll pull it." That doesn't even make sense in any way you use it.

All those other phrases you use are everyday terms. As far as I know, unless I'm begging my wife or giving my kids a hard time, I never use "pull it" in a day to day scenario. I say "kill it" for them to shut off an engine, "we got burned" when I get out danced by the local high school kids, "pull out" when I'm having the sex talk with my son, "close in\move out\shut down" I can't say I use often.

You're using everyday phrases to try and make a point about an obscure comment by someone with lower than novice experience in a field he is speaking about.
 
ergo said:
"Pull it" is an established demolition industry term.
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Then you won't have a problem showing a couple of instances where it is used when they are bringing down a building with explosives.
 
Edx said:
"Pull" is used in firefighting to refer to movements of firefighters
"Pull" is used in demoltiions to refer to literally whats going on (such as, to "pull" a building down with cables, or to "pull" a support column away etc).

"Pull it" has not and has never been shown in any quote I have ever seen to be a slang term to bring down a building with explosives.
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I have seen "pull" used in ONE instance of explosive deoltion. It was used in reference to placing cables in a structure such that when the explosives caused one part of the structure to bein collapsing the interior cables would in fact "pull" another section towards the already descending portion of the structure. Such usage is certainly in keeping with the usage in which only cables are used to bring a structure down.

Of course Silverstein is neither a firefighter nor a building demoltion expert.

ETA: A question - what does this have to do with thermite or bangs and fizzles?
 
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ergo said:
Moreover still, "pull it" is not a firefighting term and never has been, and you have found zero instances of where this phrase has been used in this context. Zero.
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No one said it was a firefighting term; just thats how LS was phrasing it. Good job fighting shadows. We do have dozens of instances of FF's saying they were "pulled". So we know "pull it" is neither a FF term nor an explosive CD term. What we have to look to is what LS was talking about. Since he was talking about a loss of life the more reasonable conclusion would be to remove the FF's as it would prevent a further loss of life, as opposed to a CD which would have no bearing at all.
 
ergo said:
Newson, you're insisting I repeat things for you because you're too lazy to look through the thread to see where I answered it.

Not a single instance of "pull it" was found in all those references. Yet we do see the term used in demolition. This has been explained to you repeatedly. You guys lose. Again.
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Won't deny the phrase "pull it" may have been heard by you at some time in a demolition activity. Problem is the only conversation I can imagine it being so used would go roughly like this : "Damn! that fuse is disconnected agin!!" "O.k., just pull it for now and we'll replace it later." Explosions are generally initiated by "Throw it/them!" or "Throw the master switch now!"


What in heck's name do you see as an item to pull so that would be a demolition term used by real people who perform demolition? BTB, I have what I am certain is a larger library of real books/pamphlets/research docs on explosives/demolition tech than all the troofers put together and a reasonable search of them does not reveal the use of "pull it" for any purpose. Why don't you give us some sourced quotes..............


As to nanoenergetics. Logically it would refer either to energetics (fire, or more likely blast/explosives that operate on a nano scale). Or explosive/thermal compounds used in the normal world but made up of nano level particles.
 
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ergo said:
"Pull it" is an established demolition industry term.
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For verinage, where it is used literally. For various reasons, verinage was impossible on 9/11.

It is not an established firefighting term. I'm going to keep saying this until you get it. Okay?
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Wait, it has to be "established" to be a correct use?

To "pull" something, anything, is a turn of phrase used in hundreds of different contexts and industries. Your attempts to fashion it as a unique firefighting term
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Straw man. No one is doing that.

are akin to claiming other common phrases like "kill it" or "we got burned" or "pull out" or "close in" or "move out" or "shut down" are unique to firefighting, even though they may, too, be used as expressions. It's ridiculous. Give it up.
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No one is doing any of those either.
 
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