Ed Rob Menard's FOTL Claims

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Bosozoku said:
Looks like Rob has finally crossed the line from encouraging people to engage in lesser crimes, such as driving without a license, to advising people on how to pass bad checks (otherwise known as "fraud"). If he keeps this video up and actually accepts money for his bogus card, he may just have a little visit from his local Policy Enforcers. Maybe if he goes to jail for this he'll make some involuntary associations!
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There are people here who know better than me, but isn’t this essentially the same thing as setting up a phony line of credit, or making up phony a credit card?
 
arayder said:
Nothing. The merchant gets stiffed.
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No. It would never in a million years reach that point.
The transaction would never happen.

You can not stick a random piece of plastic into a credit card terminal.
Life doesn't work that way Rob.

If Menard had the means, (a long shot), of manufacturing and issuing debit cards and creating an infrastructure to deal with the processing and authorisation processes they would fail instantly when that card was inserted. I can only assume Rob is living in a distant age where only a signature was needed. I understand that the USA (I'm not sure about Canada) is still a bit backward with regard to Card Authorisation but the process he is promoting simply will not work. Ever.

It is a fantasy which he has researched copied form other internet conmen.
 
arayder said:
There are people here who know better than me, but isn’t this essentially the same thing as setting up a phony line of credit, or making up phony a credit card?
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I'm by no means an expert in this area of law (I work in immigration), but I think this would fall under commercial crime, to which the RCMP devotes an entire branch.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/ccb-sddc/index-eng.htm

Possibly relevant:


Mass Marketing Fraud
Fraud committed over communication media, namely: telephone, mail and Internet. Mass marketing fraud is an enormous global problem and criminals make use of jurisdictional borders to increase the complexity of their criminal activities. Some of the more common schemes used to defraud victims are: fraudulent prize and lottery schemes, fraudulent loan offers and credit card schemes.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/ccb-sddc/fraud-fraude-eng.htm
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ComfySlippers said:
No. It would never in a million years reach that point.
The transaction would never happen.

You can not stick a random piece of plastic into a credit card terminal.
Life doesn't work that way Rob.
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That's what I think too.

I suppose one might find some way to get a merchant to accept the line of credit. But putting a phony card throught a card machine would set off too many alarms
 
ComfySlippers said:
As I've said before Rob isn't capabale of inventing his own scam, he merely copies crap he's "researched" on the internet, alters a few words, and brands it as his own.
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Yes, he borrowed the idea. Some other freeman type has already YouTubed the notion. It has been posted here.
 
arayder said:
That's what I think too.

I suppose one might find some way to get a merchant to accept the line of credit. But putting a phony card throught a card machine would set off too many alarms
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No merchant would put it in a card machine, unless they recognised the card. So unless Rob is planning to put a genuine credit/debit card's symbol on his worthless plastic... It's a non starter.
 
arayder said:
That's what I think too.

I suppose one might find some way to get a merchant to accept the line of credit. But putting a phony card throught a card machine would set off too many alarms
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Speaking as someone who understands the way cards work, having had a merchant agreement along with all it's rules and regulations, I can assure you that in my Country if Rob presented his phony card I would be legally obliged to make a certain phone call, using certain keywords, resulting in a hurried vist by the police to deal with the criminal in front of me.

Rob has a very simplistic view of how the real world works.
 
D'rok said:
Yup. Although, I suspect that, like all his grand ideas, this will come to nothing and he'll just move on to the next harebrained scheme. He doesn't have a lot of follow-through.
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Bobby always needs new products to market to the freeman marks.

One envisions a freeman with a WFS membership card, a C3PO outfit (complete with decoder ring), hundreds of dollars worth of magic freeman documents and now a “consumer note” credit card.
 
Speaking as someone who understands the way cards work, having had a merchant agreement along with all it's rules and regulations, I can assure you that in my Country if Rob presented his phony card I would be legally obliged to make a certain phone call, using certain keywords, resulting in a hurried vist by the police to deal with the criminal in front of me.

Rob has a very simplistic view of how the real world works.
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And that simplistic view probably includes not using one of the cards himself.

Rob knows what hes doing all right.
 
One envisions a freeman with a WFS membership card, a C3PO outfit (complete with decoder ring), hundreds of dollars worth of magic freeman documents and now a “consumer note” credit card.
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I can't do the math, but I'm sure all of that was a small amount of CA$ to pay for my freedom.
 
arayder said:
One envisions a freeman with a WFS membership card, a C3PO outfit (complete with decoder ring), hundreds of dollars worth of magic freeman documents and now a “consumer note” credit card.
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ComfySlippers said:
I can only assume Rob is living in a distant age where only a signature was needed. I understand that the USA (I'm not sure about Canada) is still a bit backward with regard to Card Authorisation but the process he is promoting simply will not work. Ever.
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Well, chip cards are quite common here in Canada. Even if your card isn't chip (which most retailers support these days at least where I live), it has to be swiped before it prints out a bill for your signature (credit card) or you enter your pin (debit). I suspect Rob hasn't used a credit card since the days of those manual machines which took imprints.

A freeloader might, if the card didn't look or feel funny enough, get a retailer to swipe it. Once that happens though, the best case scenario for both the freeloader and Rob is "Your card isn't working, do you have another?" I suspect that the retailer in question, to say nothing of the police, would take a very dim view if the freeloader started quoting the bill of exchange act.
 
Rob got punted for poasts he made over a week ago?

Hahahahahaha!!!

That’s hilarious!!!


I guess the mods don’t exactly keep in step here, now do they?


Simply pathetic...
 
Welcome back flabio, good to have another freeman here, I was getting lonely on my own, with all the talk of this movement growing rapidly I thought i was missing out.
Have you signed up yet, I have tried but don't know how to go about it, are you one of the "we" that Rob talked about?
 
Hans said:
So Fabio have you forked over your 125$ yet? If not why not?
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No, not quite yet. I’m waiting for Rob to let me know where I can get a burger and fries for five bucks first.
 
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