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JFK Conspiracy Theories: It Never Ends

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Robert, are you a government-controlled disinformation agent? Failure to respond to this inquiry will be considered a "yes" answer.

You have also failed to post a point-by-point refutation of 7's iron-clad evidence that the limo driver shot JFK. Why? Because you know you can't?

Lastly, how much is your monthly CIA shill stipend? Judging by your pitiful performance on this thread, I'd say it isn't much.
 
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Robert Prey said:
1. Z film alteration.

2. Brains, scalp blown out as evidenced by witnesses, but little blood in that location.

3. Z film a home movie that can't possibly capture everything that happens in a split second.

4. Unknown variables.

If there is snow on the ground in the morning, then it is reasonable to assume that during the night it snowed. We don't need a video that shows snowfall. The evidence is there on the ground. And the evidence for a shot from the front is the large blow-out in the back of K's head, observed by 40 plus on the scene witnesses, including Bobby Hargis who got a his face and uniform l splattered with it.
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HSienzant said:
Hargis drove into the blood splatter. You can see the blood splatter above JFK's head in Z313 (and a large chunk of skull bone rotating in the sun is likewise visible in that frame). That skull fragment visible in the z-film is most likely the Harper fragment, and it can be seen moving up and forward from the skull. I remind you that the Harper fragment was found south of the limo at the time of the head shot. That puts that fragment forward and to the left of the limo - a shot from behind would drive that Harper fragment in that direction. A shot from the driver or from the grassy knoll would not put the fragment forward of the limo.

It is curious you allege Z-film alteration and then say that the z-film couldn't possibly capture everything that happened in a split second. Curiously, it captured more than enough to disprove your back of head exit wound contention. Ergo, you are stuck alleging alteration of the film. But when, how, and why, you cannot begin to document. If the conspirators didn't like what the Z-film revealed, why did they let it see the light of day? Why did they go to the trouble (and expense) of altering the film? Why not just overexpose the film by a factor of 1200 and say "oops"? Or burn it and say the film was damaged in the developing process? Your theories are simply bizarre - we have to conjecture conspirators with too much time on their hands and money to burn to accept Zapruder film alteration.

Your point 4 is hilarious - "4. Unknown variables."

Translated, that means you couldn't think of anything else.

Your point 2 is vague - "2. Brains, scalp blown out as evidenced by witnesses, but little blood in that location."

What location are you referencing? The witnesses in Dealey Plaza saw a large wound in the right side of the head. The blood was mostly on the seat of the limo, and a fragment of skull was found on the floor of the limo. Governor Connally and wife Nellie both spoke of being splattered with blood. I remind you they were both forward of the President, consistent with a shot from behind and consistent with the spatter explosion of blood and brains we see in frame Z313.

And the analogy concerning the snow is fallacious. The snow is on the ground, but is the exit wound in the back of the head? You are simply assuming it is. But that is what you have to prove. All the hard evidence puts it elsewhere, as do numerous witnesses.

We've already seen that numerous witnesses in Dealey Plaza as well as Parkland failed to mention a back of the head wound. For example, Bill Newman mentioned only a wound in the right temple. Malcolm Kilduff mentioned only a wound in the right temple. Dr. Jenkins mentioned a large wound to the right side of the head. None of those men mentioned that the wound was in the back of the head.

We both know you won't begin to rebut any of these points. Because your conspiracy books don't cover these points, because they can't rebut them either.

Hank
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What more can I say, other than thanks, Robert, for your belated acknowledgement of the single shot on the P&T video.

Oh ... just one other thing ...



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Hank wrote (again):

Dr. Jenkins mentioned a large wound to the right side of the head. None of those men mentioned that the wound was in the back of the head.

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Only all of the doctors, including Jenkins. Is there something about the location of Cerebellum and Occipital that you cannot grasp?
 
Robert Prey said:
Hank wrote (again):

Dr. Jenkins mentioned a large wound to the right side of the head. None of those men mentioned that the wound was in the back of the head.

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Only all of the doctors, including Jenkins. Is there something about the location of Cerebellum and Occipital that you cannot grasp?
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7forever has thoroughly trashed your delusions and you have no rebuttal. You lose.
 
RoboTimbo said:
7forever has thoroughly trashed your delusions and you have no rebuttal. You lose.
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Robert has consistently refused to say whether he is or is not serious about anything he has posted on this thread and now he refuses to deny the charge that he is a government-controlled disinfo agent. His silence speaks volumes.

I will note in passing that the CIA employed a better class of shill back in the day. Robert is third rate in this department. I guess the budget for the JFK cover up has been cut back in this time of recession.
 
7forever said:
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The one you fired, you moronic jackass.:jaw-dropp:D
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With your expertise at 911 video analysis, no wonder you see guns in the driver's hand. No-plane on 911, and now a gun for JFK's driver. You make up lies in two CT and in over 10 forums all over the Internet you cut and past the same junk you post here, spamming lies all over the world.

I have heard the idiotic lies about JFK since the day he was shot by Oswald. The CTer dolts made up lies about a tough rifle shot. I went to Dallas, when to the window and realized the shot was too easy. The geometry of the road made the shot easy. I realized people make up lies out of ignorance; then there is your claim. Wrong out of the barrel, the driver has not gun. You spread lies, and you do it without conscience in 10 or more forums. You are SPAM. Do you plagiarize JFK thread posts too?
 
Robert Prey said:
Hank wrote (again):

Dr. Jenkins mentioned a large wound to the right side of the head. None of those men mentioned that the wound was in the back of the head.

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Only all of the doctors, including Jenkins. Is there something about the location of Cerebellum and Occipital that you cannot grasp?
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This forum has a quote function.

The cerebellum and occipital bones have been shown to extend to the side of the head.

But more simply than this the quote describes where they were AFTER being displaced by a trauma. Consistant with being pushed by a bullet entering behind the ear, and pushing body matter upwards and forwards, exiting from a wound on the temple.

I know ejecta is something you consistanly fail to understand Robert, but repeating your failure to understand the quotes you post wont make yourversion real.

Bare in mind the "accurate" drawing of the blow out you consider evidence suggests the occipital bone was removed completely. Conflicting directly with your current mantra.
 
Tomtomkent said:
Robert keeps repeating the z film was altered. He has yet to identify a single frame with a photographic artefact toprove this

As for not seeing everything, how many frames a second do you think the film records robert?
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The standard frame rate for 8mm cine cameras was 18 frames per second.
 
Tomtomkent said:
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This forum has a quote function.

The cerebellum and occipital bones have been shown to extend to the side of the head.

But more simply than this the quote describes where they were AFTER being displaced by a trauma. Consistant with being pushed by a bullet entering behind the ear, and pushing body matter upwards and forwards, exiting from a wound on the temple.

I know ejecta is something you consistanly fail to understand Robert, but repeating your failure to understand the quotes you post wont make yourversion real.

Bare in mind the "accurate" drawing of the blow out you consider evidence suggests the occipital bone was removed completely. Conflicting directly with your current mantra.
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The Jenkins statement (for the umteenth time):

"There was a great laceration on the right side of the head (temporal and occipital)...even to the extent that the cerebellum had protruded from the wound."
"I really think part of the cerebellum, as I recognized it, was herniated from the wound...."

The word "occiptal" refers to the area of the head, not the occipital bone which may well have been blasted out (Harper Fragment).

 
Robert Prey said:
The Jenkins statement (for the umteenth time):

"There was a great laceration on the right side of the head (temporal and occipital)...even to the extent that the cerebellum had protruded from the wound."
"I really think part of the cerebellum, as I recognized it, was herniated from the wound...."

The word "occiptal" refers to the area of the head, not the occipital bone which may well have been blasted out (Harper Fragment).
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The photographic evidence trumps the spoken (esp. allegedly) word every time. Please point out the rear (occipital) head trauma in the photographic record.
 
Robert Prey said:
The Jenkins statement (for the umteenth time):

"There was a great laceration on the right side of the head (temporal and occipital)...even to the extent that the cerebellum had protruded from the wound."
"I really think part of the cerebellum, as I recognized it, was herniated from the wound...."

The word "occiptal" refers to the area of the head, not the occipital bone which may well have been blasted out (Harper Fragment).

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/526994f437d759307a.jpg[/qimg]
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Saying "for the seventh" time doesn't make your interpretaion Correct.

Note the occipital bone covers a larger area than the brain lobe. Note also that the cerebellum would STILL be displaced by bullet trauma.

You should know what this looks like robert, the autopsy photos have been posted here before.
 
Southwind17 said:
The photographic evidence trumps the spoken (esp. allegedly) word every time. Please point out the rear (occipital) head trauma in the photographic record.
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Please point to anything in the "photographic record" as to the back of the head. There is no photographic record of the back of the head for the obvious reason that such record would impeach the pre-determined script.
 
Robert Prey said:
The photographic evidence can be forged. The written word, once recorded, cannot.
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Really? So all the forgeries that have existed before photography was even invented didn't exist? What a bizarre contention!
I suppose the sky is orange in your world, too.
 
Robert Prey said:
The photographic evidence can be forged. The written word, once recorded, cannot.
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You mean like fiction? The Hitler Diaries, Jack the Rippers diaries, or people just writing lies?

And by the way the Occipital bone covers considerable more area than the occipital lobe, if you happen to believe in it or not. Your usual reading and comprehension errors donot anargument make.
 
Multivac said:
The standard frame rate for 8mm cine cameras was 18 frames per second.
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And Zapruder's specific camera was tested by the FBI when fully wound (as he testified it was when he filmed the assassination) and found to record at 18.3 frames per second. That figure has been accepted for decades as the frame rate the Zapruder film was exposed at.
 
Robert Prey said:
Please point to anything in the "photographic record" as to the back of the head. There is no photographic record of the back of the head for the obvious reason that such record would impeach the pre-determined script.
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Have you not seen the Zapruder film yet?

That film shows the back of the head intact. That was pointed out to you many times previously, including in this loop. Continue to ignore it.

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/bmjfk63/spatteronJackiesface-1.gif

Have you not seen the Moorman photograph yet?

That photo shows the back of the head intact, shortly after the head shot. That too was pointed out to you previously. Here's the photo again. Continue to ignore it.

http://simfootball.net/JFK/MoormanFBIprint-1.jpg

I know you will claim the Z-film was altered. I trust you aren't foolish enough to claim the Moorman photo was altered (it was a Polaroid, and self-developing after it was pulled from the camera). It was viewed in Dealey Plaza within a minute of the assassination. Very few conspiracy theorists go so far as to claim the Moorman photo was altered. None go as far as suggesting how it was done.

Hank
 
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