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Whats wrong with Ron Paul?

TellyKNeasuss said:
Who needs safety regulations? After enough people get killed, the survivors will figure out that they need to stop doing business with that company and it will go out of business.
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In a format like this forum, it is sometimes hard to tell what someone is really saying. TellyKNeasuss, should I take this post literally or sarcastically or some other way? Thanks.
 
madfoot said:
Ron Paul hasn't sponsored any laws that would allow school-sponsored prayer. The amendment he proposed (according to Wikipedia) just allows students to privately pray, without being coerced not to, and doesn't allow other students to be coerced into praying. At best, it's redundant, although I don't know how far school prayer policy goes one way or the other to say for sure.
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Nobody can coerce you not to pray. You can pray in your head without making a sound. People who insist on making a public ritual of prayer are NOT privately praying. There is not, and cannot be any rule or law that can stop private praying. If Ron Paul doesn't understand that, then he's even stupider than I thought. However, I suspect he knows that was just pandering to the religious right and their imaginary "war on Christianity".
 
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SezMe said:
In a format like this forum, it is sometimes hard to tell what someone is really saying. TellyKNeasuss, should I take this post literally or sarcastically or some other way? Thanks.
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That occurred to me as I was replying to it.

So I went with sarcasm myself!
 
Tricky said:
Nobody can coerce you not to pray. You can pray in your head without making a sound. People who insist on making a public ritual of prayer are NOT privately praying. There is not, and cannot be any rule or law that can stop private praying. If Ron Paul doesn't understand that, then he's even stupider than I thought. However, I suspect he knows that was just pandering to the religious right and their imaginary "war on Christianity".
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I suspect the real motivation behind ritualizing school prayer is to exert peer pressure on non-prayers.
 
I dont know I was reading a libertarian book recently that said, if you are not making 52k per year or more you are not pulling your own weight taxwise. 256k for a family of 5. weight being 12500 in taxes. I think he was advocating a poll tax of 12500 to solve teh tax problem. Libertarians... He also said that it was good that all those jobs went to china so that americans could stop being useless.
 
SezMe said:
In a format like this forum, it is sometimes hard to tell what someone is really saying. TellyKNeasuss, should I take this post literally or sarcastically or some other way? Thanks.
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I'm hoping that it's strictly sarcastic.
 
TheChadd said:
The essential problem with libertarians / ancaps for me is that they want to rigorously enforce private property rights, which entrenches the wealth of those that have. While denying those who aren't as well of the right to social welfare, paid for by taxing the wealthy.

In our current system we have a balance between use of "violence" as they like to term it on both sides.

For comparison, I would claim that no violence on either side would be a social anarchist idea of a society. Violence on behalf of the state (taxation) and no private property rights would be something like communism.
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Ron Paul is not an anarchist. He just holds a strict interpretation of the Constitution like Grover Cleveland. I'm at odds with most historians in considering Grover Cleveland to be immensely underrated as a president and I think the negative economic data didn't fully report the urbanization that occurred in Western cities during his two terms, but there were definitely major problems in both of his terms. A Ron Paul presidency would be similar to a Grover Cleveland presidency. Instead of Coxey's army, you'd have Occupy Wall St. Instead of Hawaii, you'd have some other archipelago with resources and a sovereignty dispute. The biggest difference is that Paul would reduce the role of the military and focus it just on defense, whereas Cleveland largely nationalized and expanded the Navy.

There were many problems with narrowly interpreting a document written in 1787 for use in 1892, and there would probably be more problems doing that today. However, it has certain advantages such as a much simpler government.

Plus, it's a little known fact that Coxey later credited his hard-times during Cleveland's tenure for inspiring him to ultimately help develop pioneering mining explosives, so at least technological innovation took place even at the poorest levels.
 
Segnosaur said:
Minor little note:

I'm not saying whether Libertarian will work or not. However, I don't think you can equate a country like Somalia with being "Libertarian".

One of the basics of Libertarian is that while the government wouldn't necessarily have the role of (for example) providing welfare/health care, they at least believe in the government providing basic law and order for its citizens. At this point, Somalia is more of an anarchy, since there doesn't seem to be any functioning government capable of providing basic civil protections.
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See theres almost no difference on one side the government enforces contracts with the barrel of a gun and with somalia you just grab your AK47 and do it yourself. other than that everything would be pretty much the same
 
MNBrant said:
I just looked at what Ron Paul supports and none of it involves spending money. Any idea of what a Ron Paul budget would look like? Obviously if you gut intelligence, the military, and homeland security, there would be something left to spend? Is he for roads and bridges? Maybe I don't understand politics.
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I think he's for shrinking the federal government.
 
Spindrift said:
The US Navy was a private enterprise before Cleveland?
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Much of it was essentially private. In times of war, the Navy would conscript boat-owners and sailors when they needed ships somewhat like the merchant marines, except they still fought under the shipping firms leadership and not the Navy directly. Several old shipping magnates in the Northeast started out this way such as Cornelius Vanderbilt.

There was some Navy that the government always had for emergencies, but the vast majority of the ships and crews were private. Even in WWI, occasional privateer ships were used for the purposes of scouting submarines.

When reports of the severity of British aid to the Confederates became widespread, people blamed privateers, as they should have in my opinion. So after reconstruction people seriously looked for ways to reform the Navy.
 
Astrodude said:
Much of it was essentially private. In times of war, the Navy would conscript boat-owners and sailors when they needed ships somewhat like the merchant marines, except they still fought under the shipping firms leadership and not the Navy directly. Several old shipping magnates in the Northeast started out this way such as Cornelius Vanderbilt.

There was some Navy that the government always had for emergencies, but the vast majority of the ships and crews were private. Even in WWI, occasional privateer ships were used for the purposes of scouting submarines.

When reports of the severity of British aid to the Confederates became widespread, people blamed privateers, as they should have in my opinion. So after reconstruction people seriously looked for ways to reform the Navy.
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So Cleveland took over the shipping firms?
 
Spindrift said:
So Cleveland took over the shipping firms?
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No, not really. He just bought lots of ironclad ships from private manufacturers. Prior to his administration, this was not done on such a remotely large scale in peace time.

When Abe Lincoln called for troops, the US Navy had about 40 active ships. He didn't want to issue letters of "marque" or formal privateering calls because the war wasn't against a foreign country, so he just issued executive orders to make shooting at Confederate vessels legal on the seas and to offer bounties on Confederate ships. "Privateers", as they were often called, were literally paid by how many Confederate blockade runners they could sink.
 
Tricky said:
Ron Paul and Governor Tarkin. Separated at birth?
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That's Grand Moff Tarkin. He's no regular Moff, he's Grand Moff.


Advisor #1: We've analyzed the latest primary results, sir, and there is a danger. Should I have your withdrawal speech standing by?
Congressman Paul: Withdraw? In our moment of triumph? I think you overestimate their chances.
 
What kind of rank is "Grand Moff" anyway? Just above Senior Chief Fluffpuff?


Back to the matter at hand. So how many states has Wrong Paul won so far this primary season?
 
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