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JFK Conspiracy Theories: It Never Ends

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Robert Prey said:
What you cite is not an ad hominem attack. And in the case of Posner, an accurate summation of just where he and his book of lies belongs.
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So which of the accusations you described as "ad hominem" were not an accurate summationof where you and your lies, unsupported claims, and unfoundedaccusations belong?

It seems odd you wish to criticise others, but equate the same level of critique against your own statements as an attack.

This would suggest you are indeed using the same double standard found in some vocal creationist groups.
 
Robert Prey said:
What you cite is not an ad hominem attack. And in the case of Posner, an accurate summation of just where he and his book of lies belongs.
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I didn't think you'd be able to contradict the incredible evidence that 7forever trumped you with. He's got you on the run and there's nothing you can do about it.
 
Tomtomkent said:
So which of the accusations you described as "ad hominem" were not an accurate summationof where you and your lies, unsupported claims, and unfoundedaccusations belong?

It seems odd you wish to criticise others, but equate the same level of critique against your own statements as an attack.

This would suggest you are indeed using the same double standard found in some vocal creationist groups.
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Baloney.
 
I just looked up theword "baloney" in the Prey Dictionary 2nd edition, it states
Baloney
A word to use when you are totally stumped for a response and you have been totally exposed.
 
jargon buster said:
I just looked up theword "baloney" in the Prey Dictionary 2nd edition, it states
Baloney
A word to use when you are totally stumped for a response and you have been totally exposed.
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What has been totally exposed in the past 75 pages or so, is a whole bunch of Lone Nut whiners who thought they were Deep Thinkers, but too shamed to admit they have been duped and snookered for 50 years by a criminal government as to the truth regarding the Crime of the Century. Deal with it.
 
Robert, to be perfectly honest, it doesnt matter to me if you are right, I couldnt care less who killed Kennedy, hes dead and has been now for almost 50 years.
If it was indeed the government they got away with it and theres nothing you or anyone else can do about it.

Why dont you try and find out if King Tutankhamun was murdered or not?
http://www.kingtutone.com/tutankhamun/murder/
 
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Robert Prey said:
What has been totally exposed in the past 75 pages or so, is a whole bunch of Lone Nut whiners who thought they were Deep Thinkers, but too shamed to admit they have been duped and snookered for 50 years by a criminal government as to the truth regarding the Crime of the Century. Deal with it.
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What has also been exposed includes, but is not limited to:

A lack of physical evidence to support the claim that there was an entry wound to the front of JFKs head and an exit wound to the rear.
That Roberts "pre autopsy" photos are "autopsy" photos, cropped and rotated in an attempt to misrepresesent wounds consistant with a shot from the rear.
That robert refuses to admit he cited sources, even when he is shown his own Citation.
That there is no physical evidence to suggest the "back yard", autopsy, polaroid or other photos were faked, or that the Z film has been edited.
No single photo-artefact has been provided to suggest tampering.
The "impossible" shadows have been replicated.
That Roberts attempt to prove "impossible" shadows required an entirely different pose to avoid replicating them.
That Robert was unable to prove how latent prints were taken from a dead body then placed on a Rifle.
That there is no evidence of any kind to suggest "spare" kill teams around Dallas
That there is no evidence LHO was fluent in russian, a spy, or a hero.
That robert didn't understand, or misrepresented the autopsy report.
That Robert believes in multiple, conflicting theories of the kind of bullet used, direction the bullet was fired from, or where it entered JFKs head.
That Robert is unable to explain why there is no visible exit wound to the back of JFKs head, in the Z film or any other photo, despite claiming ejected mass from a smaller entry. Wound is visible. And despite claiming to see (but not able to show) small fragments of brain on the back of the car.
That Robert believes, with out evidence, that photos of LHO holding the rifle and pistol were. Faked, despite also claiming there were already GENUINE PHOTOS OF HIM WITH THE SAME GUN, and that an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT rifle was left in the TSBD to frame him.

I wonder why Robert didnt feel the need to remind us of those having been exposed.

Where's the physical evidence Robert?
 
The Party's Over

jargon buster said:
Robert, to be perfectly honest, it doesnt matter to me if you are right, I couldnt care less who killed Kennedy, hes dead and has been now for almost 50 years.
If it was indeed the government they got away with it and theres nothing you or anyone else can do about it.[/url]
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Indeed, the perps got away with it and considering it's almost fifty years after the crime most of them are probably dead anyway. Not a single death bed confession and not a single scrap of credible evidence of a conspiracy either. All we have left are the conspiracy hucksters trying to turn a buck off the case and their gullible "believers" like Robert.

Posner and the "Bug Man" have moved on to other books, other interests, but the conspiracy mongers are still mired in the past, desperately seeking to "prove" something about the case. This thread is as dead as JFK. There's nothing left to see here. Move along.
 
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Walter Ego said:
Indeed, the perps got away with it and considering it's almost fifty years after the crime most of them are probably dead anyway. Not a single death bed confession and not a single scrap of credible evidence of a conspiracy either. All we have left are the conspiracy hucksters trying to turn a buck off the case and their gullible "believers" like Robert.

Posner and the "Bug Man" have moved on to other books, other interests, but the conspiracy mongers are still mired in the past, desperately seeking to "prove" something about the case. This thread is as dead as JFK. There's nothing left to see here. Move along.
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Yeah, Posner has gone onto other plagiarism trials, The Bug Man has about given up on indicting George Bush for War Crimes and Walter has adopted his alter ego:

 
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Got any Physical evidence yet Robert? As with out you have nothing worth discussing.

Except maybe how others supporting OJ is different from Groden, the source of your cropped and rotated pictures testifying for OJ? Going to retract your own posts yet?
 
Robert Prey said:
Indeed. The 30 plus medical workers at Parkland had a conference before the assassination and decided to enter into a grand conspiracy to alter the President's wounds validated by David Lifton's conjecture. Thus, they are all lying as are the witnesses at Bethesda and the on the scene witnesses in Dealy Plaza. Is that your theory as well?
That's got to be the most ridiculous, tortured argument any LN has ever made. I think I see another White Flag.
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Not my argument, Robert.

I thought I was quite clear it was Lifton's argument.
He's a conspiracy theorist.

So while you may think it's a 'ridiculous, tortured argument', you should at least give credit (or blame) where it is due: It springs from David Lifton's mind, not mine.

And unfortunately, it's not the most ridiculous, tortured argument any conspiracy theorist has ever made.

Here's what I wrote. I fail to understand how you can think the "Doctor's Conspiracy" argument is my theory. I thought I made it quite clear it was Lifton's theory, not mine.

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And remember that David Lifton, who invented the whole body alteration nonsense to start with, is now suggesting that the Parkland doctors were part of the conspiracy. To paraphrase Lifton, Parkland would be where the conspirators would naturally expect JFK to be taken. Since the body alteration was in the original conspiracy plans, it's logical to assume that the body alteration was to be done at Parkland. But when the Secret Service took the body back to Air Force One, and then on to Washington, the conspirators were forced to scramble to come up with an alternate plan - and thus the body alteration was done at Bethesda.

So if one of the leading conspiracy shallow thinkers alleges the Parkland staff had to be in on the original conspiracy, I'm not too certain Robert should be citing these guys as evidence of anything.

Of course, Lifton never did explain how Connally's wounds were altered.

Hank
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Hank
 
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HSienzant said:
Not my argument, Robert.

I thought I was quite clear it was Lifton's argument.
He's a conspiracy theorist.

So while you may think it's a 'ridiculous, tortured argument', you should at least give credit (or blame) where it is due: It springs from David Lifton's mind, not mine.

And unfortunately, it's not the most ridiculous, tortured argument any conspiracy theorist has ever made.

Here's what I wrote. I fail to understand how you can think the "Doctor's Conspiracy" argument is my theory. I thought I made it quite clear it was Lifton's theory, not mine.
Hank
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So you are citing Lifton's conjecture, which you now say you don't agree with, as a reason for dismissing evidence which you also don't agree with?/?

Whew!!! Takes the cake.
 
HSienzant said:
That's not what Kilduff said.

That's your interpretation of what Kilduff said.

Hank
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Ok. Here is what he said:

"President John F. Kennedy died at approximately 1:00 CST today here in Dallas. He died of a gunshot wound to the brain. I have no other details regarding the assassination of the president."
 
Robert Prey said:
So you are citing Lifton's conjecture, which you now say you don't agree with, as a reason for dismissing evidence which you also don't agree with?/?

Whew!!! Takes the cake.
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Like citing photographs from Groden, then citing his claims of what they preresent then saying you never even offered a citation!

Oh no, my mistake, that was you Robert...

Of course, the context of HS's posts made it clear he was impartially reporting the opinions of others. But feel free to ignore that inconvenient aspect.
 
Robert Prey said:
Ok. Here is what he said:

"President John F. Kennedy died at approximately 1:00 CST today here in Dallas. He died of a gunshot wound to the brain. I have no other details regarding the assassination of the president."
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And where in there do you see that Kilduff said the bullet entered the temple?

And if you believe that Kilduff is implying that by pointing to the head in the photo you cite, note he could just as well be pointing to the large *exit* wound the autopsy and the z-film show in the right side of the head.

If, however, you believe that Kilduff was pointing to an entrance wound in the right temple, please tell me where he got that information.

It cannot be the Parkland doctors, because you keep telling us they saw a wound in the back of the head, not the temple and not the forehead.

Did he see the wound himself? Why did the Parkland doctors not see this wound?
 
Robert Prey said:
So you are citing Lifton's conjecture, which you now say you don't agree with, as a reason for dismissing evidence which you also don't agree with?/?

Whew!!! Takes the cake.
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No, Robert. I am watching you paint yourself into a corner.

So you don't think the conspiracy involved the Parkland doctors.
But you do believe in body alteration, I believe you said.

Now simply explain what set of doctors was going to do the body alteration that was planned, per Lifton, from the beginning, if not the Parkland doctors.

As Lifton pointed out, the Parkland doctors would be the logical suspects, as JFK would be rushed to the nearest hospital - and that would be Parkland.

Or do you believe the body alteration plan was something cobbled together at the last minute?

Hank
 
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